[Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23
Ari & Carolyn Birnbaum
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Tue Mar 24 13:33:30 UTC 2009
You could try the RI chapter of the National Alliance for the Mentally
Ill--their # is listed as (401)331-3060.
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> ....It takes a (caring) village...
> I like the idea of helping Anna.
>
> I have called the police and Butler Hospital to ask for
> advice...the police were useless, Butler compassionate-but legally
> unable to help.
> Any Dr.'s with suggestions out there?
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> Elizabeth K
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>> 1. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 48, Issue 20 (Karen Klingon)
>> 2. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Gardner and Company)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:17:47 -0400
>> From: Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 48, Issue 20
>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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>> We have a neighbor in our small apartment building in NYC who sounds
>> very much like this woman. He's in his fifties, has lived in the
>> building since he was a year old, and went downhill quickly after his
>> parents died. The police had to be called on numerous occasions. It
>> was
>> sad and sometimes scary to see our neighbor in this condition; there
>> was no way he could take care of himself. We were afraid he'd become
>> homeless, which would be my fear for this woman, too.
>>
>> So the neighbors, including us, took an interest and arranged for the
>> services to which he is entitled by law. He has a home keeper every
>> day
>> to cook, shop, and clean for him (provided by a nearby social services
>> agency), and the city sends someone to give him medication in
>> injection
>> form--twice a month, I think--since he's unable to keep track of it
>> himself. He receives Social Security disability. The rent gets paid.
>> He's pretty stable now and has been for several years.
>>
>> Karen
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:54 AM, Michael Brennan wrote:
>>
>>> I actually emailed? this list about this woman when I moved to 4th
>>> st.
>>> (from 6th st) sometime last year.
>>> ?
>>> A few google searches and the providence journal archvies led me to
>>> learn that her mother died in a sudden car accident a few years
>>> back.?
>>> I can only assume that she has not kept up on her meds after her
>>> mother passed away.? I currently live on 4th st. and nearly every
>>> other day hear her screaming or yelling nonsense.? Her name is Anna
>>> and she lives a few houses down from me (I live at 141 4th).
>>> ?
>>> While she does appear to be harmless... one never knows.? There has
>>> been an occasion or two when she has looked directly at me as I
>>> exited
>>> my car and stated to scream nonsenese.? It can be quite
>>> unnerving.? In
>>> additon, I have witnessed the local police haul her off on more than
>>> one occasion to who-knows-where when she yells in the middle of the
>>> night...? However, she always seems to return to the area a week
>>> or so
>>> later.
>>> ?
>>> Anyway,? logic tells me that due to her well-kept appearance and such
>>> that she is somewhat lucid and can take care of herself.? I do admit
>>> that it is somewhat unnerving to hear her yell and scream in the
>>> middle of the night while the neighborhood is sleeping.? However, I
>>> dont know what can be done.? It is an unfortunate situation with no
>>> ideal solution..
>>> ?
>>> -Mike Brennan
>>> (4th st)
>>>
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>>>> ? 1. Lady who shouts at strangers (Mark T.B. Carroll)
>>>> ? 2. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Mark T.B. Carroll)
>>>> ? 3. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Bresler E)
>>>> ? 4. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Bresler E)
>>>> ? 5. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (PSZ333 at aol.com)
>>>> ? 6. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Moxie)
>>>> ? 7. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Gardner and Company)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:59:07 -0400
>>>> From: "Mark T.B. Carroll" <mtbc at ixod.org>
>>>> Subject: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>> To: Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>>> Message-ID: <87wsag2k9g.fsf at ixod.org>
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>>>>
>>>> Over quite some time now I've noticed a lady with long hair in the
>>>> area
>>>> of 5th / Bayard (I don't know how much further she roams - does
>>>> anyone
>>>> else?) who walks around outside in the daytime shouting at
>>>> passers-by
>>>> -
>>>> calling them names, etc. Is she a well-known local character? Is
>>>> there
>>>> any `caregiver' or suchlike who should be notified when she's
>>>> roaming
>>>> around yelling at people and drivers? (Actually, having a listener
>>>> seems
>>>> to be somewhat optional, sometimes she just wanders around
>>>> shouting.)
>>>> I
>>>> haven't tried interacting with her myself, yet: I find it hard to
>>>> guess
>>>> how that would go, and I don't want to aggravate her further. I
>>>> don't
>>>> really mind, it's just that I don't want to be ignoring someone who
>>>> may
>>>> need some kind of assistance, but I don't know what, if anything,
>>>> would
>>>> help. When I first saw her I thought she probably had some Bluetooth
>>>> headset or something or was arguing with someone she knows, but over
>>>> time it's become clear that it's all rather more random than
>>>> that. I
>>>> don't know if actually engaging her in patient conversation would
>>>> help
>>>> or not, but I figured maybe someone else around here might have a
>>>> better
>>>> idea? She doesn't seem especially unkempt so I'm guessing she's not
>>>> homeless. And for all I know everyone who's been around here for a
>>>> while
>>>> is already familiar with the situation and have already tried to
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:52:38 -0400
>>>> From: "Mark T.B. Carroll" <mtbc at ixod.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>> To: Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>>> Message-ID: <87d4c810ft.fsf at ixod.org>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much for the background! I'm glad that at least the
>>>> local
>>>> authorities are familiar with her, though it's a pity that her
>>>> illness
>>>> seems to make her so unhappy. I ran into her on Summit a few minutes
>>>> ago
>>>> and she really didn't seem to be making any sense. Still, while she
>>>> calls people names, I didn't feel physically threatened, and after I
>>>> listened to her insulting me for a while she seemed to lose interest
>>>> and
>>>> strode off, which does so far seem to have been the pattern of
>>>> encounters I've witnessed. She didn't seem rational enough that I
>>>> should
>>>> try to actually engage her in conversation, given how annoyed she
>>>> already seemed to be, she just seems to yell a bit and move on
>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:03:44 -0400
>>>> From: Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> ? ? ? ?<d5595ab00903231303l2f6cd5ex6280916993cc97ce at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> I don't have any special information about this lady.
>>>>
>>>> But I also see her passing my house on Hope & 6th, and also in the
>>>> Library
>>>> occasionally, where she continues with her loud talking
>>>> (unfortunately for
>>>> the quiet library). ?But she doesn't stay long and the staff seems
>>>> to accept
>>>> she just talks loudly and continually and then leaves. ?She doesn't
>>>> otherwise bother anyone. ?She does NOT seem to be aggressive or even
>>>> particularly upset, only sounds like she feels she has something
>>>> urgent to
>>>> tell us, but what that is - is not clear to me. ?(I've never
>>>> heard any
>>>> specific insults or comments directed at me.) Then she goes on her
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> Our social services systems are not perfect, and sometimes people
>>>> who
>>>> could
>>>> benefit, steer clear because of the down sides of interacting with
>>>> that
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> Some people just like being pretty "different ." Maybe she feels
>>>> fine
>>>> as she
>>>> is?
>>>>
>>>> I also hope she is getting what she needs. I would be happy to
>>>> hear if
>>>> someone can provide us with some useful information/guidance without
>>>> invading her privacy. If she has housing & food, maybe it is just
>>>> none of
>>>> our business...
>>>>
>>>> Elianna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Mark T.B. Carroll <mtbc at ixod.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Over quite some time now I've noticed a lady with long hair in the
>>>> area
>>>>> of 5th / Bayard (I don't know how much further she roams - does
>>>> anyone
>>>>> else?) who walks around outside in the daytime shouting at
>>>> passers-by -
>>>>> calling them names, etc. Is she a well-known local character? Is
>>>> there
>>>>> any `caregiver' or suchlike who should be notified when she's
>>>> roaming
>>>>> around yelling at people and drivers? (Actually, having a listener
>>>> seems
>>>>> to be somewhat optional, sometimes she just wanders around
>>>> shouting.) I
>>>>> haven't tried interacting with her myself, yet: I find it hard to
>>>> guess
>>>>> how that would go, and I don't want to aggravate her further. I
>>>> don't
>>>>> really mind, it's just that I don't want to be ignoring someone who
>>>> may
>>>>> need some kind of assistance, but I don't know what, if anything,
>>>> would
>>>>> help. When I first saw her I thought she probably had some
>>>>> Bluetooth
>>>>> headset or something or was arguing with someone she knows, but
>>>>> over
>>>>> time it's become clear that it's all rather more random than that.
>>>> I
>>>>> don't know if actually engaging her in patient conversation would
>>>> help
>>>>> or not, but I figured maybe someone else around here might have a
>>>> better
>>>>> idea? She doesn't seem especially unkempt so I'm guessing she's not
>>>>> homeless. And for all I know everyone who's been around here for a
>>>> while
>>>>> is already familiar with the situation and have already tried to
>>>> help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:05:12 -0400
>>>> From: Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>> To: "Mark T.B. Carroll" <mtbc at ixod.org>, ? ? ? ?Summit Neighborhood
>>>> ? ? ? ?<Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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>>>> What back ground?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Mark T.B. Carroll <mtbc at ixod.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much for the background! I'm glad that at least the
>>>> local
>>>>> authorities are familiar with her, though it's a pity that her
>>>> illness
>>>>> seems to make her so unhappy. I ran into her on Summit a few
>>>> minutes ago
>>>>> and she really didn't seem to be making any sense. Still, while she
>>>>> calls people names, I didn't feel physically threatened, and after
>>>> I
>>>>> listened to her insulting me for a while she seemed to lose
>>>> interest and
>>>>> strode off, which does so far seem to have been the pattern of
>>>>> encounters I've witnessed. She didn't seem rational enough that I
>>>> should
>>>>> try to actually engage her in conversation, given how annoyed she
>>>>> already seemed to be, she just seems to yell a bit and move on
>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:48:21 EDT
>>>> From: PSZ333 at aol.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
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>>>> I have seen her on Hope Street several times now - and I have also
>>>> had her as
>>>> a customer. ?I alerted the police to her once, when I saw that she
>>>> almost got
>>>> hit by a car. ?Her routine on the street is that she is walking and
>>>> having an
>>>> argument "with someone" from behind, gradually walking into the
>>>> middle of
>>>> Hope Street. ?Traffic has stopped for her. ?She appears to get it
>>>> out of her
>>>> system and then walks back home. ?The police are aware of her. ?My
>>>> friend tells me
>>>> she used to baby-sit his kids many, many years ago and she is
>>>> schizophrenic.
>>>> After her parents died, she became careless with her medications. ?
>>>> It's a
>>>> shame to witness this.
>>>>
>>>> pat zacks
>>>> The Camera Werks
>>>> custom framing & photo boutique
>>>> 766 Hope Street
>>>> Providence, RI 02906
>>>> #401-273-5367
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>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:38:30 -0400
>>>> From: Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>> 2009/3/23 Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> She doesn't
>>>>> otherwise bother anyone.? She does NOT seem to be aggressive or
>>>>> even
>>>>> particularly upset, only sounds like she feels she has something
>>>> urgent to
>>>>> tell us, but what that is - is not clear to me.? (I've never heard
>>>> any
>>>>> specific insults or comments directed at me.) Then she goes on her
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> I would respectfully disagree that she doesn't bother anyone. ?She
>>>> approached me as I got out of my car today and quite literally
>>>> scared
>>>> the hell out of me, in addition to raining personal slurs on my head
>>>> until I could get away. ?The only urgent thing she needed to
>>>> tell me
>>>> was that I was a fat bitch....over and over again.
>>>>
>>>> Dealing with mental illness in my own family, I understand it. ?
>>>> But it
>>>> does make me less happy to have to go outside if I know she's about.
>>>> And I really don't like the idea of her approaching my children.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:51:32 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: Gardner and Company <gardnerandcompany at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>> Message-ID: <618718.22356.qm at web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>> What will happen is that either she will be harmed or taken away
>>>> unless someone helps.? Maybe someone needs to intervene..? Sounds
>>>> like she needs help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> From: Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>> To: "Summit Neighborhood" <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 5:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> 2009/3/23 Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> She doesn't
>>>>> otherwise bother anyone.? She does NOT seem to be aggressive or
>>>>> even
>>>>> particularly upset, only sounds like she feels she has something
>>>> urgent to
>>>>> tell us, but what that is - is not clear to me.? (I've never heard
>>>> any
>>>>> specific insults or comments directed at me.) Then she goes on her
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> I would respectfully disagree that she doesn't bother anyone. ?She
>>>> approached me as I got out of my car today and quite literally
>>>> scared
>>>> the hell out of me, in addition to raining personal slurs on my
>>>> head
>>>> until I could get away. ?The only urgent thing she needed to tell me
>>>> was that I was a fat bitch....over and over again.
>>>>
>>>> Dealing with mental illness in my own family, I understand it. ?
>>>> But it
>>>> does make me less happy to have to go outside if I know she's
>>>> about.
>>>> And I really don't like the idea of her approaching my children.
>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Gardner and Company <gardnerandcompany at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>, Carol Cancro
>> <ccancro at cox.net>
>> Message-ID: <101582.55584.qm at web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Thank you Carol.?
>>
>> I wonder if when an incident occurs you could call the firehouse
>> (Branch and Cyprus) directly?? Do you stretch the truth and say
>> "she requires medical attention?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If she is truly schizophrenic and elects not to
>> take?appropriate medications, that is her loss and ours as
>> well.??The?conundrum?of mentally ill people refusing
>> treatment has been described by a midwestern psychiatrist as "dying
>> with your
>> rights on."?
>> ?
>> I suggest?involving the police if you feel
>> threatened, and turning the other cheek if you don't.? Sadly, 911
>> calls
>> about mentally ill people are typically handled by police and not
>> EMT's, which
>> speaks volumes about our society's criminalization of mental
>> illness.
>> ?
>> I would
>> strongly?discourage?neighbors?from thinking that all that is
>> required here is a caring shoulder to lean on.? Should she?continue to
>> refuse medication,?she will likely be harmed.??If she is "taken
>> away"?and consents to be?treated,?she may get the help she
>> needs.?
>> ?
>> Carol C.
>> ?
>> ?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Gardner and Company
>> To: Summit Neighborhood
>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:51
>> PM
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at
>> strangers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What will happen is that either she will be harmed or
>> taken away unless someone helps.? Maybe someone needs to
>> intervene..? Sounds like she needs help.
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon,
>> 3/23/09, Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From:
>> Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com>
>> Subject:
>> Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>> To: "Summit Neighborhood"
>> <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Date:
>> Monday, March 23, 2009, 5:38 PM
>>
>> 2009/3/23 Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> She doesn't
>>> otherwise bother anyone.? She does NOT seem to be aggressive or even
>>> particularly upset, only sounds like she feels she has something
>>> urgent to
>>> tell us, but what that is - is not clear to
>> me.? (I've never heard
>> any
>>> specific insults or comments directed at me.) Then she goes on her
>>> way.
>>
>> I would respectfully disagree that she doesn't bother anyone. She
>> approached me as I got out of my car today and quite literally scared
>> the hell out of me, in addition to raining personal slurs on my head
>> until I could get away. The only urgent thing she needed to tell me
>> was that I was a fat bitch....over and over again.
>>
>> Dealing with mental illness in my own family, I understand it. But it
>> does make me less happy to have to go outside if I know she's about.
>> And I really don't like the idea of her approaching my children.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:29:42 -0400
> From: Stephanie Lambert French <slambertfrench at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 48, Issue 22
> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> Cc: Officer Schiavulli <dschiavulli at providenceri.com>
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> This came up at the annual meeting and Officer Schiavulli is aware of her
> and has spoken to her father in the past.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:26 AM, elizabeth kearns <ek94 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> ....It takes a (caring) village...
>> I like the idea of helping Anna.
>>
>> I have called the police and Butler Hospital to ask for advice...the
>> police were useless, Butler compassionate-but legally unable to help.
>> Any Dr.'s with suggestions out there?
>>
>> Elizabeth K
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2009, at 8:44 AM, summit-request at sna.providence.ri.us wrote:
>>
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>>> 1. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 48, Issue 20 (Karen Klingon)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:17:47 -0400
>>> From: Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 48, Issue 20
>>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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>>> We have a neighbor in our small apartment building in NYC who sounds
>>> very much like this woman. He's in his fifties, has lived in the
>>> building since he was a year old, and went downhill quickly after his
>>> parents died. The police had to be called on numerous occasions. It was
>>> sad and sometimes scary to see our neighbor in this condition; there
>>> was no way he could take care of himself. We were afraid he'd become
>>> homeless, which would be my fear for this woman, too.
>>>
>>> So the neighbors, including us, took an interest and arranged for the
>>> services to which he is entitled by law. He has a home keeper every day
>>> to cook, shop, and clean for him (provided by a nearby social services
>>> agency), and the city sends someone to give him medication in injection
>>> form--twice a month, I think--since he's unable to keep track of it
>>> himself. He receives Social Security disability. The rent gets paid.
>>> He's pretty stable now and has been for several years.
>>>
>>> Karen
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:54 AM, Michael Brennan wrote:
>>>
>>> I actually emailed? this list about this woman when I moved to 4th st.
>>>> (from 6th st) sometime last year.
>>>> ?
>>>> A few google searches and the providence journal archvies led me to
>>>> learn that her mother died in a sudden car accident a few years back.?
>>>> I can only assume that she has not kept up on her meds after her
>>>> mother passed away.? I currently live on 4th st. and nearly every
>>>> other day hear her screaming or yelling nonsense.? Her name is Anna
>>>> and she lives a few houses down from me (I live at 141 4th).
>>>> ?
>>>> While she does appear to be harmless... one never knows.? There has
>>>> been an occasion or two when she has looked directly at me as I exited
>>>> my car and stated to scream nonsenese.? It can be quite unnerving.? In
>>>> additon, I have witnessed the local police haul her off on more than
>>>> one occasion to who-knows-where when she yells in the middle of the
>>>> night...? However, she always seems to return to the area a week or so
>>>> later.
>>>> ?
>>>> Anyway,? logic tells me that due to her well-kept appearance and such
>>>> that she is somewhat lucid and can take care of herself.? I do admit
>>>> that it is somewhat unnerving to hear her yell and scream in the
>>>> middle of the night while the neighborhood is sleeping.? However, I
>>>> dont know what can be done.? It is an unfortunate situation with no
>>>> ideal solution..
>>>> ?
>>>> -Mike Brennan
>>>> (4th st)
>>>>
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>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> ? 1. Lady who shouts at strangers (Mark T.B. Carroll)
>>>>> ? 2. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Mark T.B. Carroll)
>>>>> ? 3. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Bresler E)
>>>>> ? 4. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Bresler E)
>>>>> ? 5. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (PSZ333 at aol.com)
>>>>> ? 6. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Moxie)
>>>>> ? 7. Re: Lady who shouts at strangers (Gardner and Company)
>>>>>
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>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:59:07 -0400
>>>>> From: "Mark T.B. Carroll" <mtbc at ixod.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>>> To: Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>>>> Message-ID: <87wsag2k9g.fsf at ixod.org>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Over quite some time now I've noticed a lady with long hair in the
>>>>> area
>>>>> of 5th / Bayard (I don't know how much further she roams - does
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> else?) who walks around outside in the daytime shouting at passers-by
>>>>> -
>>>>> calling them names, etc. Is she a well-known local character? Is there
>>>>> any `caregiver' or suchlike who should be notified when she's roaming
>>>>> around yelling at people and drivers? (Actually, having a listener
>>>>> seems
>>>>> to be somewhat optional, sometimes she just wanders around shouting.)
>>>>> I
>>>>> haven't tried interacting with her myself, yet: I find it hard to
>>>>> guess
>>>>> how that would go, and I don't want to aggravate her further. I don't
>>>>> really mind, it's just that I don't want to be ignoring someone who
>>>>> may
>>>>> need some kind of assistance, but I don't know what, if anything,
>>>>> would
>>>>> help. When I first saw her I thought she probably had some Bluetooth
>>>>> headset or something or was arguing with someone she knows, but over
>>>>> time it's become clear that it's all rather more random than that. I
>>>>> don't know if actually engaging her in patient conversation would help
>>>>> or not, but I figured maybe someone else around here might have a
>>>>> better
>>>>> idea? She doesn't seem especially unkempt so I'm guessing she's not
>>>>> homeless. And for all I know everyone who's been around here for a
>>>>> while
>>>>> is already familiar with the situation and have already tried to help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:52:38 -0400
>>>>> From: "Mark T.B. Carroll" <mtbc at ixod.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>>> To: Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>>>> Message-ID: <87d4c810ft.fsf at ixod.org>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much for the background! I'm glad that at least the local
>>>>> authorities are familiar with her, though it's a pity that her illness
>>>>> seems to make her so unhappy. I ran into her on Summit a few minutes
>>>>> ago
>>>>> and she really didn't seem to be making any sense. Still, while she
>>>>> calls people names, I didn't feel physically threatened, and after I
>>>>> listened to her insulting me for a while she seemed to lose interest
>>>>> and
>>>>> strode off, which does so far seem to have been the pattern of
>>>>> encounters I've witnessed. She didn't seem rational enough that I
>>>>> should
>>>>> try to actually engage her in conversation, given how annoyed she
>>>>> already seemed to be, she just seems to yell a bit and move on
>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:03:44 -0400
>>>>> From: Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> ? ? ? ?<d5595ab00903231303l2f6cd5ex6280916993cc97ce at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have any special information about this lady.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I also see her passing my house on Hope & 6th, and also in the
>>>>> Library
>>>>> occasionally, where she continues with her loud talking
>>>>> (unfortunately for
>>>>> the quiet library). ?But she doesn't stay long and the staff seems
>>>>> to accept
>>>>> she just talks loudly and continually and then leaves. ?She doesn't
>>>>> otherwise bother anyone. ?She does NOT seem to be aggressive or even
>>>>> particularly upset, only sounds like she feels she has something
>>>>> urgent to
>>>>> tell us, but what that is - is not clear to me. ?(I've never heard any
>>>>> specific insults or comments directed at me.) Then she goes on her
>>>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our social services systems are not perfect, and sometimes people who
>>>>> could
>>>>> benefit, steer clear because of the down sides of interacting with
>>>>> that
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people just like being pretty "different ." Maybe she feels fine
>>>>> as she
>>>>> is?
>>>>>
>>>>> I also hope she is getting what she needs. I would be happy to hear if
>>>>> someone can provide us with some useful information/guidance without
>>>>> invading her privacy. If she has housing & food, maybe it is just
>>>>> none of
>>>>> our business...
>>>>>
>>>>> Elianna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Mark T.B. Carroll <mtbc at ixod.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Over quite some time now I've noticed a lady with long hair in the
>>>>>>
>>>>> area
>>>>>
>>>>>> of 5th / Bayard (I don't know how much further she roams - does
>>>>>>
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>
>>>>>> else?) who walks around outside in the daytime shouting at
>>>>>>
>>>>> passers-by -
>>>>>
>>>>>> calling them names, etc. Is she a well-known local character? Is
>>>>>>
>>>>> there
>>>>>
>>>>>> any `caregiver' or suchlike who should be notified when she's
>>>>>>
>>>>> roaming
>>>>>
>>>>>> around yelling at people and drivers? (Actually, having a listener
>>>>>>
>>>>> seems
>>>>>
>>>>>> to be somewhat optional, sometimes she just wanders around
>>>>>>
>>>>> shouting.) I
>>>>>
>>>>>> haven't tried interacting with her myself, yet: I find it hard to
>>>>>>
>>>>> guess
>>>>>
>>>>>> how that would go, and I don't want to aggravate her further. I
>>>>>>
>>>>> don't
>>>>>
>>>>>> really mind, it's just that I don't want to be ignoring someone who
>>>>>>
>>>>> may
>>>>>
>>>>>> need some kind of assistance, but I don't know what, if anything,
>>>>>>
>>>>> would
>>>>>
>>>>>> help. When I first saw her I thought she probably had some Bluetooth
>>>>>> headset or something or was arguing with someone she knows, but over
>>>>>> time it's become clear that it's all rather more random than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>> don't know if actually engaging her in patient conversation would
>>>>>>
>>>>> help
>>>>>
>>>>>> or not, but I figured maybe someone else around here might have a
>>>>>>
>>>>> better
>>>>>
>>>>>> idea? She doesn't seem especially unkempt so I'm guessing she's not
>>>>>> homeless. And for all I know everyone who's been around here for a
>>>>>>
>>>>> while
>>>>>
>>>>>> is already familiar with the situation and have already tried to
>>>>>>
>>>>> help.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:05:12 -0400
>>>>> From: Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>>> To: "Mark T.B. Carroll" <mtbc at ixod.org>, ? ? ? ?Summit Neighborhood
>>>>> ? ? ? ?<Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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>>>>> What back ground?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Mark T.B. Carroll <mtbc at ixod.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much for the background! I'm glad that at least the
>>>>>>
>>>>> local
>>>>>
>>>>>> authorities are familiar with her, though it's a pity that her
>>>>>>
>>>>> illness
>>>>>
>>>>>> seems to make her so unhappy. I ran into her on Summit a few
>>>>>>
>>>>> minutes ago
>>>>>
>>>>>> and she really didn't seem to be making any sense. Still, while she
>>>>>> calls people names, I didn't feel physically threatened, and after
>>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>> listened to her insulting me for a while she seemed to lose
>>>>>>
>>>>> interest and
>>>>>
>>>>>> strode off, which does so far seem to have been the pattern of
>>>>>> encounters I've witnessed. She didn't seem rational enough that I
>>>>>>
>>>>> should
>>>>>
>>>>>> try to actually engage her in conversation, given how annoyed she
>>>>>> already seemed to be, she just seems to yell a bit and move on
>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:48:21 EDT
>>>>> From: PSZ333 at aol.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>>> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
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>>>>> I have seen her on Hope Street several times now - and I have also
>>>>> had her as
>>>>> a customer. ?I alerted the police to her once, when I saw that she
>>>>> almost got
>>>>> hit by a car. ?Her routine on the street is that she is walking and
>>>>> having an
>>>>> argument "with someone" from behind, gradually walking into the
>>>>> middle of
>>>>> Hope Street. ?Traffic has stopped for her. ?She appears to get it
>>>>> out of her
>>>>> system and then walks back home. ?The police are aware of her. ?My
>>>>> friend tells me
>>>>> she used to baby-sit his kids many, many years ago and she is
>>>>> schizophrenic.
>>>>> After her parents died, she became careless with her medications. ?
>>>>> It's a
>>>>> shame to witness this.
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>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:38:30 -0400
>>>>> From: Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>> 2009/3/23 Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She doesn't
>>>>>> otherwise bother anyone.? She does NOT seem to be aggressive or even
>>>>>> particularly upset, only sounds like she feels she has something
>>>>>>
>>>>> urgent to
>>>>>
>>>>>> tell us, but what that is - is not clear to me.? (I've never heard
>>>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>
>>>>>> specific insults or comments directed at me.) Then she goes on her
>>>>>>
>>>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would respectfully disagree that she doesn't bother anyone. ?She
>>>>> approached me as I got out of my car today and quite literally scared
>>>>> the hell out of me, in addition to raining personal slurs on my head
>>>>> until I could get away. ?The only urgent thing she needed to tell me
>>>>> was that I was a fat bitch....over and over again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dealing with mental illness in my own family, I understand it. ?But it
>>>>> does make me less happy to have to go outside if I know she's about.
>>>>> And I really don't like the idea of her approaching my children.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:51:32 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>> From: Gardner and Company <gardnerandcompany at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>>> Message-ID: <618718.22356.qm at web84103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>
>>>>> What will happen is that either she will be harmed or taken away
>>>>> unless someone helps.? Maybe someone needs to intervene..? Sounds
>>>>> like she needs help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> From: Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>>>> To: "Summit Neighborhood" <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>>>> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 5:38 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/3/23 Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She doesn't
>>>>>> otherwise bother anyone.? She does NOT seem to be aggressive or even
>>>>>> particularly upset, only sounds like she feels she has something
>>>>>>
>>>>> urgent to
>>>>>
>>>>>> tell us, but what that is - is not clear to me.? (I've never heard
>>>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>
>>>>>> specific insults or comments directed at me.) Then she goes on her
>>>>>>
>>>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would respectfully disagree that she doesn't bother anyone. ?She
>>>>> approached me as I got out of my car today and quite literally scared
>>>>> the hell out of me, in addition to raining personal slurs on my head
>>>>> until I could get away. ?The only urgent thing she needed to tell me
>>>>> was that I was a fat bitch....over and over again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dealing with mental illness in my own family, I understand it. ?But it
>>>>> does make me less happy to have to go outside if I know she's about.
>>>>> And I really don't like the idea of her approaching my children.
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Gardner and Company <gardnerandcompany at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>, Carol Cancro
>>> <ccancro at cox.net>
>>> Message-ID: <101582.55584.qm at web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>>>
>>> Thank you Carol.?
>>>
>>> I wonder if when an incident occurs you could call the firehouse (Branch
>>> and Cyprus) directly?? Do you stretch the truth and say "she requires
>>> medical attention?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If she is truly schizophrenic and elects not to
>>> take?appropriate medications, that is her loss and ours as
>>> well.??The?conundrum?of mentally ill people refusing
>>> treatment has been described by a midwestern psychiatrist as "dying with
>>> your
>>> rights on."?
>>> ?
>>> I suggest?involving the police if you feel
>>> threatened, and turning the other cheek if you don't.? Sadly, 911 calls
>>> about mentally ill people are typically handled by police and not EMT's,
>>> which
>>> speaks volumes about our society's criminalization of mental
>>> illness.
>>> ?
>>> I would
>>> strongly?discourage?neighbors?from thinking that all that is
>>> required here is a caring shoulder to lean on.? Should she?continue to
>>> refuse medication,?she will likely be harmed.??If she is "taken
>>> away"?and consents to be?treated,?she may get the help she
>>> needs.?
>>> ?
>>> Carol C.
>>> ?
>>> ?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Gardner and Company
>>> To: Summit Neighborhood
>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:51
>>> PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at
>>> strangers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What will happen is that either she will be harmed or
>>> taken away unless someone helps.? Maybe someone needs to
>>> intervene..? Sounds like she needs help.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon,
>>> 3/23/09, Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From:
>>> Moxie <moxie.krasinski at gmail.com>
>>> Subject:
>>> Re: [Summit] Lady who shouts at strangers
>>> To: "Summit Neighborhood"
>>> <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>>> Date:
>>> Monday, March 23, 2009, 5:38 PM
>>>
>>> 2009/3/23 Bresler E <breslerfamily at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> She doesn't
>>>> otherwise bother anyone.? She does NOT seem to be aggressive or even
>>>> particularly upset, only sounds like she feels she has something urgent
>>>> to
>>>> tell us, but what that is - is not clear to
>>>>
>>> me.? (I've never heard
>>> any
>>>
>>>> specific insults or comments directed at me.) Then she goes on her way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would respectfully disagree that she doesn't bother anyone. She
>>> approached me as I got out of my car today and quite literally scared
>>> the hell out of me, in addition to raining personal slurs on my head
>>> until I could get away. The only urgent thing she needed to tell me
>>> was that I was a fat bitch....over and over again.
>>>
>>> Dealing with mental illness in my own family, I understand it. But it
>>> does make me less happy to have to go outside if I know she's about.
>>> And I really don't like the idea of her approaching my children.
>>>
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