[Summit] Window restoration
Dean W
dreammail22 at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 30 01:07:14 UTC 2009
Restoring may well be a better eco-option, but there is a tax credit for new energy-efficient windows.
Check out energystar.gov for some info, and if you need further help please feel free to give me a call!
401-405-1040
Dean
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1. Window restoration (Jonathan Howard)
2. Re: Window restoration (O'Kelly, Charlotte)
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4. Windows restored by Marco Pereira (Laura Howe)
5. Re: Running amuck without housing (Breslers)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:36:38 -0400
From: Jonathan Howard <jon at ceffect.com>
Subject: [Summit] Window restoration
To: SUMMIT <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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Saturday, I attended a workshop on windows and home heating efficiency
at the RI Sustainability Festival. There were reps from Heritage
Restoration and from Marvin windows. The areas of agreement in the
"new versus restore" debate were much broader than I would have
thought. Among these:
- Restoration is the best option when possible.
- Wood is the best sash material in terms of heat conductivity and
long-term (200 years+) durability, even if you replace.
- A storm window over a traditional window can provide essentially the
same protection as a new replacement window without a storm.
- Vinyl windows are generally the worst for discoloration,
conductivity and rapid loss of integrity.
- Even the best new windows are huge sources of heat loss compared to
well insulated walls.
- All windows, including replacement, require maintenance or they will
begin to leak air and break down.
- The insulating value of special glass, double panes, etc. is not a
significant factor in your heating bill.
- The objectives of either replacement or repair should be:
1. Minimize/eliminate direct air leaks
2. Meet your own needs for natural lighting.
3. Create the right balance of heat gain from sunlight with heat loss.
The speaker from Heritage Restoration said they can restore function
to any double hung window for $50, including replacing ropes. For
$850, they will completely renovate the window, stripping and
repainting it, providing weather stripping to stop leaks. THey had a
$550 option, too. The guy from Marvin Windows was also extremely
knowledgeable. They make some beautiful windows, but the really good
ones cost as much as restoration.
You can see the restoration process at www.heritagerestoration.net.
The Marvin dealer's website is at www.awhastings.com.
Also, they suggested getting a "blow door" test from Green Seal to
measure air loss in your whole home before doing anything else. I've
just called to set this up.
Jonathan Howard
Cause & Effect. Inc.
178 Ninth Street,
Providence, RI 02906
401.331.2272
jon at ceffect.com
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:44:49 -0400
From: "O'Kelly, Charlotte" <COKELLY at providence.edu>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Window restoration
To: Jonathan Howard <jon at ceffect.com>, SUMMIT
<summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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I think Marco (lives in the neighborhood and often posts on this site) at Better than Ever Windows does a good job at sealing and restoring windows at a cheaper price. He did all of ours and we are very pleased.
I think they look much better than the replacement windows.
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From: summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us [mailto:summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us] On Behalf Of Jonathan Howard
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:37 PM
To: SUMMIT
Subject: [Summit] Window restoration
Saturday, I attended a workshop on windows and home heating efficiency
at the RI Sustainability Festival. There were reps from Heritage
Restoration and from Marvin windows. The areas of agreement in the
"new versus restore" debate were much broader than I would have
thought. Among these:
- Restoration is the best option when possible.
- Wood is the best sash material in terms of heat conductivity and
long-term (200 years+) durability, even if you replace.
- A storm window over a traditional window can provide essentially the
same protection as a new replacement window without a storm.
- Vinyl windows are generally the worst for discoloration,
conductivity and rapid loss of integrity.
- Even the best new windows are huge sources of heat loss compared to
well insulated walls.
- All windows, including replacement, require maintenance or they will
begin to leak air and break down.
- The insulating value of special glass, double panes, etc. is not a
significant factor in your heating bill.
- The objectives of either replacement or repair should be:
1. Minimize/eliminate direct air leaks
2. Meet your own needs for natural lighting.
3. Create the right balance of heat gain from sunlight with heat loss.
The speaker from Heritage Restoration said they can restore function
to any double hung window for $50, including replacing ropes. For
$850, they will completely renovate the window, stripping and
repainting it, providing weather stripping to stop leaks. THey had a
$550 option, too. The guy from Marvin Windows was also extremely
knowledgeable. They make some beautiful windows, but the really good
ones cost as much as restoration.
You can see the restoration process at www.heritagerestoration.net.
The Marvin dealer's website is at www.awhastings.com.
Also, they suggested getting a "blow door" test from Green Seal to
measure air loss in your whole home before doing anything else. I've
just called to set this up.
Jonathan Howard
Cause & Effect. Inc.
178 Ninth Street,
Providence, RI 02906
401.331.2272
jon at ceffect.com
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: marco pereira <markenid2004 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Window restoration
To: Jonathan Howard <jon at ceffect.com>, SUMMIT
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Good Afternoon
I read your posting about window restoration on the website and wanted to tell you about my system. I have a website www.jaymarcowindows.com I too, believe in restoring the exisiting windows, however, I believe it is necessary to insulate the window cavity, where the lead weights are and to make the windows lead safe in the process. My system, is also less expensive than replacements, but I believe much more economical in the end. I have installed over 1,000 windows on the East Side this last year and would be happy to discuss upgrading your windows to operate more smoothly and more efficiently, Thanks, Marco Pereira, owner of Better Than Ever Window Preservation.
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From: Jonathan Howard <jon at ceffect.com>
To: SUMMIT <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:36:38 PM
Subject: [Summit] Window restoration
Saturday, I attended a workshop on windows and home heating efficiency at the RI Sustainability Festival. There were reps from Heritage Restoration and from Marvin windows. The areas of agreement in the "new versus restore" debate were much broader than I would have thought. Among these:
- Restoration is the best option when possible.
- Wood is the best sash material in terms of heat conductivity and long-term (200 years+) durability, even if you replace.
- A storm window over a traditional window can provide essentially the same protection as a new replacement window without a storm.
- Vinyl windows are generally the worst for discoloration, conductivity and rapid loss of integrity.
- Even the best new windows are huge sources of heat loss compared to well insulated walls.
- All windows, including replacement, require maintenance or they will begin to leak air and break down.
- The insulating value of special glass, double panes, etc. is not a significant factor in your heating bill.
- The objectives of either replacement or repair should be:
1. Minimize/eliminate direct air leaks
2. Meet your own needs for natural lighting.
3. Create the right balance of heat gain from sunlight with heat loss.
The speaker from Heritage Restoration said they can restore function to any double hung window for $50, including replacing ropes. For $850, they will completely renovate the window, stripping and repainting it, providing weather stripping to stop leaks. THey had a $550 option, too. The guy from Marvin Windows was also extremely knowledgeable. They make some beautiful windows, but the really good ones cost as much as restoration.
You can see the restoration process at www.heritagerestoration.net.
The Marvin dealer's website is at www.awhastings.com.
Also, they suggested getting a "blow door" test from Green Seal to measure air loss in your whole home before doing anything else. I've just called to set this up.
Jonathan Howard
Cause & Effect. Inc.
178 Ninth Street,
Providence, RI 02906
401.331.2272
jon at ceffect.com
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Laura Howe <browncow44 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Summit] Windows restored by Marco Pereira
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Like Charlotte O'Kelly we have been very pleased with the restoration Marco did of our sixty- year-old windows at, I believe it was, $350 apiece.
Laura Howe
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:26:24 -0400
From: Breslers <breslerfamily at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Running amuck without housing
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Yup. When I was involved in housing issues, in the 70s and 80s, the real
estate lobby was the 2nd largest in this country (after the medical lobby)
I'm not against business/profit, but it seems the option of certain basic
necessities, no frills, needs to be available outside that loop.
It seems the wars over super market shelving are getting nasty also,
difficult for any one wanting to buy less "popular" products. (The product
has to RENT shelf space now- so they want to get their money's worth of
sales or forget it!!) Have you noticed, for instance, that the tooth paste
& mouth wash shelves are basicly umpteem (artificial) flavors of the the
same two brands now, and most other choice is gone?
And that for many foods/ingredients, only large sizes make the someone
enough money to bother with inventory, so you have to buy more than you
need, or even fits on your shelves...
Oh boy I sound like an old fogey.
There ARE a lot of great new things, but it doesn't make these changes not a
problem.
Elianna
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>wrote:
Andy is right on. We have a policy to inflate housing prices, not create
housing that people can actually afford. Mostly becasue the bankers can buy
congress. greg gerritt
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From: Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com>
Sent: Sep 28, 2009 9:37 AM
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Subject: [Summit] Running amuck without housing
All those housing purchases made by people who could ultimately not
afford them, drove up housing prices.
Even well meaning people have absorbed the above bit of propaganda
that brilliantly directs blame on the victims! OK. The victim's own
greed is an essential ingredient of any successful Con Game but please
remember who were the con men and who were the victims here. Pay
attention to which parties were, and remain, comfortable and
powerful, and which went from loserdom to a brief spell of illusory
luck, and back to loserdom.
Even All Things Considered never examines the assumption that it will
be good news when housing prices start going up again. Why is it is
better that millions of houses be boarded up, abandoned and destroyed
to clear the oversupply of houses and keep prices up, instead of
getting them back on the market and letting their prices drop to
levels where people can afford to live in them? - To protect the
collateral behind any mortgages that still may be paid off.
It is no accident that everyone thinks that Housing Policy today is
chaotic and ineffective. It is best to keep quiet about the real goal
of Housing Policy, which is being effectively pursued. It is to
protect the financial empires built on collecting interest on loans
made on overpriced housing - - NOT to get roofs over people's heads.
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