[Summit] Parking again! Summit Digest, Vol 58, Issue 17
Thomas Nosal
thomas.nosal at mail.mcgill.ca
Wed Jan 27 22:19:32 UTC 2010
I have trouble applying the criticisms of on-street parking to Summit. With the exception of a few blocks, Summit doesn't have the population density of Boston or Manhattan. Most people can park off-street as is. Surely there will be more cars on the street, but if the ban was lifted today, I really can't imagine Lauriston St. jammed to the brim. Andy is right. I'd be happy to say adios to the Merriam staff parking lots. Remember when there was a hockey rink on N Main?
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:01:18 -0500
From: Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com>
Subject: [Summit] Fwd: Parking again!
To: Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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Thank you Coryndon, for the links to Rational Analysis.
Does anyone else see the great, neighborly breakthrough possible
here? There can be a new on-street parking scheme that does not
inconvenience residents and also allows hospital employees' cars to
occupy otherwise idle pavement - in exchange for replacing the
horrible parking lots with good stuff like houses or shops! ( Just no
"garage front" houses please)
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Coryndon Luxmoore wrote:
>
>> Andrew you might enjoy this report commissioned by San Francisco MTA
>>
>> http://sf.streetsblog.org/wp-content/upload1/SFMTAPresentationonExtendingParkingMeterHours101309.pdf
>> http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/13/mta-releases-parking-meter-study-that-proposes-extending-hours/
>> http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/donald-shoup-calls-san-francisco-parking-meter-study-pathbreaking/
>>
>> As a resident nearby the hospital I agree that there is an over
>> compensation by the meter maids and the hospital to prevent
>> employees parking on the street but as long as they insist on the
>> horrible parking lots it is appropriate. The biggest issue as I see
>> it is the really poorly maintained parking signage in the area
>> which does not make the rules clear.
>>
>> --C
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> Coryndon Luxmoore
>> Interaction Designer
>>
>> coryndon (at) luxmoore (dot) com
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Andrew Nosal wrote:
>>
>>> Raising some money through parking enforcement is a fine idea.
>>> The disgrace is how pointless and victimless are the most
>>> ruthlessly enforced parking regulations: the overnight ban, and
>>> time limits on out of the way blocks. I would like to see more
>>> enforcement of laws that actually impact safety and well being,
>>> like speeding, red light running and failure to yield.
>>>
>>> There has been an absurd over-reaction to the problem of ** OMG
>>> hospital employees are parking all day.* * Why is it best that
>>> hundreds of perfectly good curbside spaces remain vacant, all day,
>>> every day, while the hospital is compelled to maintain big ugly
>>> parking lots that could be developed as housing or other useful
>>> things? If we want residents to be priveleged to park on their
>>> own streets, give them permit stickers and enough reserved space
>>> on every block. The rest of the spaces could then be used by
>>> whoever. The no-turnover problem that all-day parkers create in
>>> busy commercial areas and adjacent to the hospital itself is best
>>> solved by meters.
>>>
>>> Parking policies today are not the result of any systematic
>>> thinking or rational analysis. However, as long as the city is
>>> collecting lots of $, and the loudest complainers in the
>>> neighborhoods are relatively quiet, the policies can be considered
>>> a big success!
>>>
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>>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:46:56 -0500
From: Breslers <breslerfamily at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Fwd: Parking again!
To: Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com>, Summit Neighborhood
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hmmm I can see why you would feel that way, but I'll NEVER be for on
street parking-
I already lived MORE than enough years with it. It was such a pain, in so
many ways, that it dragged down the quality of daily living in Boston.
Ugh. Getting tickets while unloading your groceries into your own house
because there was no where to park nearby. Dodging those tickets every
week. Then trying to find where to put your car. Having to dry off your
guests after they walked 3 blocks in a down pour. Shoveling out a parking
space for your car, and having to fight for it or shovel again & again.
"No onstreet parking" requires landlords to provide parking, and improves
everyone's quality of life.
That's my opinion.
Elianna
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com> wrote:
> Thank you Coryndon, for the links to Rational Analysis.
>
> Does anyone else see the great, neighborly breakthrough possible here?
> There can be a new on-street parking scheme that does not inconvenience
> residents and also allows hospital employees' cars to occupy otherwise idle
> pavement - in exchange for replacing the horrible parking lots with good
> stuff like houses or shops! ( Just no "garage front" houses please)
>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Coryndon Luxmoore wrote:
>
> Andrew you might enjoy this report commissioned by San Francisco MTA
>
>
> http://sf.streetsblog.org/wp-content/upload1/SFMTAPresentationonExtendingParkingMeterHours101309.pdf
>
> http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/13/mta-releases-parking-meter-study-that-proposes-extending-hours/
>
> http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/donald-shoup-calls-san-francisco-parking-meter-study-pathbreaking/
>
> As a resident nearby the hospital I agree that there is an over
> compensation by the meter maids and the hospital to prevent employees
> parking on the street but as long as they insist on the horrible parking
> lots it is appropriate. The biggest issue as I see it is the really poorly
> maintained parking signage in the area which does not make the rules clear.
>
> --C
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Coryndon Luxmoore
> Interaction Designer
>
> coryndon (at) luxmoore (dot) com
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Andrew Nosal wrote:
>
> Raising some money through parking enforcement is a fine idea. The
> disgrace is how pointless and victimless are the most ruthlessly enforced
> parking regulations: the overnight ban, and time limits on out of the way
> blocks. I would like to see more enforcement of laws that actually impact
> safety and well being, like speeding, red light running and failure to
> yield.
>
> There has been an absurd over-reaction to the problem of ** OMG hospital
> employees are parking all day.* * Why is it best that hundreds of perfectly
> good curbside spaces remain vacant, all day, every day, while the hospital
> is compelled to maintain big ugly parking lots that could be developed as
> housing or other useful things? If we want residents to be priveleged to
> park on their own streets, give them permit stickers and enough reserved
> space on every block. The rest of the spaces could then be used by whoever.
> The no-turnover problem that all-day parkers create in busy commercial
> areas and adjacent to the hospital itself is best solved by meters.
>
> Parking policies today are not the result of any systematic thinking or
> rational analysis. However, as long as the city is collecting lots of $,
> and the loudest complainers in the neighborhoods are relatively quiet, the
> policies can be considered a big success!
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:02:12 -0500
From: Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Fwd: Parking again!
To: Breslers <breslerfamily at gmail.com>
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I'm with Elianna. I grew up in Manhattan and still spend a lot of time
there. Cars everywhere you look, narrow streets, exhaust fumes, the
daily parking shuffle/nightmare (especially bad when it snows), noise
(including car alarms going off at all hours), a general grimness and
density to the streetscape, and added security worries for any woman
walking alone at night. No thanks.
Karen
On Jan 27, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Breslers wrote:
> hmmm I can see why you would feel that way, but I'll NEVER be for
> on street parking-
>
> I already lived MORE than enough years with it. It was such a pain,
> in so many ways, that it dragged down the quality of daily living in
> Boston. Ugh. Getting tickets while unloading your groceries into
> your own house because there was no where to park nearby. Dodging
> those tickets every week. Then trying to find where to put your
> car. Having to dry off your guests after they walked 3 blocks in a
> down pour. Shoveling out a parking space for your car, and having to
> fight for it or shovel again & again.
> "No onstreet parking" requires landlords to provide parking, and
> improves everyone's quality of life.
>
> That's my opinion.
>
> Elianna
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com>
> wrote:
> Thank you Coryndon, for the links to Rational Analysis.
>
> Does anyone else see the great, neighborly breakthrough possible
> here? There can be a new on-street parking scheme that does not
> inconvenience residents and also allows hospital employees' cars to
> occupy otherwise idle pavement - in exchange for replacing the
> horrible parking lots with good stuff like houses or shops! ( Just
> no "garage front" houses please)
>
>> On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Coryndon Luxmoore wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew you might enjoy this report commissioned by San Francisco MTA
>>>
>>> http://sf.streetsblog.org/wp-content/upload1/SFMTAPresentationonExtendingParkingMeterHours101309.pdf
>>> http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/13/mta-releases-parking-meter-study-that-proposes-extending-hours/
>>> http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/donald-shoup-calls-san-francisco-parking-meter-study-pathbreaking/
>>>
>>> As a resident nearby the hospital I agree that there is an over
>>> compensation by the meter maids and the hospital to prevent
>>> employees parking on the street but as long as they insist on the
>>> horrible parking lots it is appropriate. The biggest issue as I
>>> see it is the really poorly maintained parking signage in the area
>>> which does not make the rules clear.
>>>
>>> --C
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> Coryndon Luxmoore
>>> Interaction Designer
>>>
>>> coryndon (at) luxmoore (dot) com
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Andrew Nosal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Raising some money through parking enforcement is a fine idea.
>>>> The disgrace is how pointless and victimless are the most
>>>> ruthlessly enforced parking regulations: the overnight ban, and
>>>> time limits on out of the way blocks. I would like to see more
>>>> enforcement of laws that actually impact safety and well being,
>>>> like speeding, red light running and failure to yield.
>>>>
>>>> There has been an absurd over-reaction to the problem of ** OMG
>>>> hospital employees are parking all day.* * Why is it best that
>>>> hundreds of perfectly good curbside spaces remain vacant, all
>>>> day, every day, while the hospital is compelled to maintain big
>>>> ugly parking lots that could be developed as housing or other
>>>> useful things? If we want residents to be priveleged to park on
>>>> their own streets, give them permit stickers and enough reserved
>>>> space on every block. The rest of the spaces could then be used
>>>> by whoever. The no-turnover problem that all-day parkers create
>>>> in busy commercial areas and adjacent to the hospital itself is
>>>> best solved by meters.
>>>>
>>>> Parking policies today are not the result of any systematic
>>>> thinking or rational analysis. However, as long as the city is
>>>> collecting lots of $, and the loudest complainers in the
>>>> neighborhoods are relatively quiet, the policies can be
>>>> considered a big success!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Summit mailing list
>>>> Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>>> http://mail.sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us
>>>> SNA Website: http://sna.providence.ri.us/
>>>
>>
>
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