[Summit] Rochambeau, Blackstone lot

Jeffrey Cavanaugh jeff at cavanaugh.org
Sun Nov 9 14:04:41 CST 2014


Agreed!

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Andrew Nosal <andy at mapcenter.com> wrote:

> The largest stretch of open and wooded space in the city, From Swan Point
> to Butler campus and Blackstone Park, plus the boulevard median are all
> across the street, safely preserved.   If Rhode Island needs another dozen
> big houses for rich people, those 6000 foot lots are a much less tragic
> place for them than another expansion of the sprawly suburbs.
>
> That said, I do hope the new buildings are not a row of blank garage-front
> eyesores that seem to be all the fashion.  One big, reasonably handsome
> apartment block would be better than that.
>
> On Nov 9, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Monique wrote:
>
> > Would Brown, or other educational institutions be interested...Making it
> a conservatory/ nature area.
> >
> > I think of this vast amount of land, when    I drive by the Arnold
> Arboretum, Boston, several times a week.
> >
> > Building up this area would be  so tragic.
> >
> > M Doherty
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 9, 2014, at 1:00 PM, summit-request at sna.providence.ri.us wrote:
> >
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> >>  1. plumber (Karen Klingon)
> >>  2. Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate pending:
> >>     please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
> >>     (Ellen Darling)
> >>  3. Re: Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate pending:
> >>     please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
> >>     (Jeffrey Cavanaugh)
> >>  4. Re: Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate pending:
> >>     please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
> >>     (Emlyn Addison)
> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 13:33:59 -0500
> >> From: Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net>
> >> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> >> Subject: [Summit] plumber
> >> Message-ID: <7FFC6DC3-4C2A-4839-B4A5-CF5C9C17E055 at earthlink.net>
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> >>
> >>
> >> We too use Mike Fiore and recommend him without hesitation to anyone
> looking for a skilled, reliable, personable, and reasonably priced plumber.
> >>
> >> Karen K.
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 16:03:50 -0500
> >> From: Ellen Darling <ellendarling at gmail.com>
> >> To: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> >> Subject: [Summit] Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate
> >>   pending: please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CAECj-yhMwfvFnOGhmLRgSRf0kthy3hs6MBJrDe9a7ELOdsPtnA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Dear Neighbors,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As some of you are aware, the historic Bridgam estate on the corner of
> >> Rochamebau and Blackstone will be subdivided into 12 lots for real
> estate
> >> development unless we can engage the Providence Preservation Society on
> >> this issue.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The currently proposed subdivision would add 10 single-family lots, each
> >> between 6000 and 6500 square feet, along Rochambeau Avenue and
> Blackstone
> >> Boulevard. A new ordinance, *instituted specifically for this
> neighborhood* to
> >> keep development consistent with the current infrastructure, is to be
> >> enacted next month increasing the minimum lot size to 7500 square feet.
> By
> >> filing their application now, the owners effectively circumvent the new
> >> minimum lot size requirement.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Further, the integrity of the stone wall encircling the property, which
> >> bears the date 1849, is at jeopardy. The subdivision, as currently
> drawn,
> >> allows for this wall to be breached at multiple points, or entirely
> >> demolished, to accommodate the new lots. *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Our concerns about insensitive development are not unfounded*: in
> February
> >> 2014 the owners presented a previous proposal to the City Plan
> Commission
> >> for this site, *which featured a four-story, high-density 110 unit
> >> residential condominium complex with multi-level parking for 132 cars*.
> >> While the City Plan Commission did not support the proposal, we are
> >> strongly concerned that the kind of development the owners find to be
> >> appropriate is not in the neighborhood?s best interest.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We have been informed by the Executive Director of the Providence
> >> Preservation Society (PPS) that if there are enough signatures on the
> >> attached petition, he will bring this issue to the Wednesday PPS Board &
> >> Trustee Meeting.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please support our neighborhood and sign the petition to PPS by
> clicking on
> >> this link:
> >> *
> https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition*
> >> <
> https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Also, please consider attending this *Monday?s community meeting to
> address
> >> this issue at 6:30pm at the Central Church on 296 Angell St.* You can
> sign
> >> a pen and paper petition if you prefer there.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you for your support!
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >>
> >> Ellen Darling, on behalf of the Blackstone Neighborhood Organization
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> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:33:14 -0500
> >> From: Jeffrey Cavanaugh <jeff at cavanaugh.org>
> >> To: Ellen Darling <ellendarling at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Summit Neighborhood <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> >> Subject: Re: [Summit] Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate
> >>   pending: please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CAEd3KU3vOBnWYPOEdJJ4bF-7L6mZLgyAiHSDffkA+Ux=CQJOHg at mail.gmail.com>
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> >>
> >> http://providenceri.com/efile/2157
> >>
> >> Shows the plat map that includes these parcels.  There are existing
> lots in
> >> the adjacent blocks as small as 5000 sq. feet, and many quite a bit
> >> larter.  I would say, from a quick eyeballing of the map, that 7,500 sq.
> >> feet seems more typical and 6000-6500 sq. ft. would be on the small
> side.
> >>
> >> Is it 10 new parcels or 12?  The e-mail is a bit confusing.
> >>
> >> What would this petition do?  Try to squash any subdivision? Or try to
> >> negotiate lotsize and/or architectural standards so that the subdivision
> >> leads to the best possible outcome?  Once such item may be to preserve
> most
> >> of the wall, less driveway cuts, for example.
> >>
> >> I ask because I don't see the owner's being denied some sort of
> >> subdivision.  It is a huge estate for an urban area, and It's not
> >> surprising that no one will buy it as is, the taxes must be insane.
> Unless
> >> some community group wants to buy it, it will probably be developed
> >> eventually.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Ellen Darling <ellendarling at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Neighbors,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As some of you are aware, the historic Bridgam estate on the corner of
> >>> Rochamebau and Blackstone will be subdivided into 12 lots for real
> estate
> >>> development unless we can engage the Providence Preservation Society on
> >>> this issue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The currently proposed subdivision would add 10 single-family lots,
> each
> >>> between 6000 and 6500 square feet, along Rochambeau Avenue and
> Blackstone
> >>> Boulevard. A new ordinance, *instituted specifically for this
> >>> neighborhood* to keep development consistent with the current
> >>> infrastructure, is to be enacted next month increasing the minimum lot
> size
> >>> to 7500 square feet. By filing their application now, the owners
> >>> effectively circumvent the new minimum lot size requirement.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Further, the integrity of the stone wall encircling the property,
> which
> >>> bears the date 1849, is at jeopardy. The subdivision, as currently
> drawn,
> >>> allows for this wall to be breached at multiple points, or entirely
> >>> demolished, to accommodate the new lots. *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Our concerns about insensitive development are not unfounded*: in
> >>> February 2014 the owners presented a previous proposal to the City Plan
> >>> Commission for this site, *which featured a four-story, high-density
> 110
> >>> unit residential condominium complex with multi-level parking for 132
> cars*.
> >>> While the City Plan Commission did not support the proposal, we are
> >>> strongly concerned that the kind of development the owners find to be
> >>> appropriate is not in the neighborhood?s best interest.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We have been informed by the Executive Director of the Providence
> >>> Preservation Society (PPS) that if there are enough signatures on the
> >>> attached petition, he will bring this issue to the Wednesday PPS Board
> &
> >>> Trustee Meeting.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please support our neighborhood and sign the petition to PPS by
> clicking
> >>> on this link:
> >>> *
> https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition*
> >>> <
> https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Also, please consider attending this *Monday?s community meeting to
> >>> address this issue at 6:30pm at the Central Church on 296 Angell St.*
> You
> >>> can sign a pen and paper petition if you prefer there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your support!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ellen Darling, on behalf of the Blackstone Neighborhood Organization
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Summit mailing list
> >>> Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> >>>
> http://sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us
> >>> SNA Website: http://sna.providence.ri.us/
> >>>
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> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:53:08 -0500
> >> From: Emlyn Addison <noisyblocks at gmail.com>
> >> To: Jeffrey Cavanaugh <jeff at cavanaugh.org>
> >> Cc: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> >> Subject: Re: [Summit] Major subdivision of historic Rochambeau estate
> >>   pending: please sign petition to Providence Preservation Society
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CAEAT3MEiTxw4LnQfKTtiaiZvfnrd+m6XE-Kr0PS=fp3WfrwVbA at mail.gmail.com>
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> >> Agreed.
> >> On Nov 8, 2014 7:33 PM, "Jeffrey Cavanaugh" <jeff at cavanaugh.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://providenceri.com/efile/2157
> >>>
> >>> Shows the plat map that includes these parcels.  There are existing
> lots
> >>> in the adjacent blocks as small as 5000 sq. feet, and many quite a bit
> >>> larter.  I would say, from a quick eyeballing of the map, that 7,500
> sq.
> >>> feet seems more typical and 6000-6500 sq. ft. would be on the small
> side.
> >>>
> >>> Is it 10 new parcels or 12?  The e-mail is a bit confusing.
> >>>
> >>> What would this petition do?  Try to squash any subdivision? Or try to
> >>> negotiate lotsize and/or architectural standards so that the
> subdivision
> >>> leads to the best possible outcome?  Once such item may be to preserve
> most
> >>> of the wall, less driveway cuts, for example.
> >>>
> >>> I ask because I don't see the owner's being denied some sort of
> >>> subdivision.  It is a huge estate for an urban area, and It's not
> >>> surprising that no one will buy it as is, the taxes must be insane.
> Unless
> >>> some community group wants to buy it, it will probably be developed
> >>> eventually.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Ellen Darling <ellendarling at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Neighbors,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As some of you are aware, the historic Bridgam estate on the corner of
> >>>> Rochamebau and Blackstone will be subdivided into 12 lots for real
> estate
> >>>> development unless we can engage the Providence Preservation Society
> on
> >>>> this issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The currently proposed subdivision would add 10 single-family lots,
> each
> >>>> between 6000 and 6500 square feet, along Rochambeau Avenue and
> Blackstone
> >>>> Boulevard. A new ordinance, *instituted specifically for this
> >>>> neighborhood* to keep development consistent with the current
> >>>> infrastructure, is to be enacted next month increasing the minimum
> lot size
> >>>> to 7500 square feet. By filing their application now, the owners
> >>>> effectively circumvent the new minimum lot size requirement.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Further, the integrity of the stone wall encircling the property,
> which
> >>>> bears the date 1849, is at jeopardy. The subdivision, as currently
> drawn,
> >>>> allows for this wall to be breached at multiple points, or entirely
> >>>> demolished, to accommodate the new lots. *
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Our concerns about insensitive development are not unfounded*: in
> >>>> February 2014 the owners presented a previous proposal to the City
> Plan
> >>>> Commission for this site, *which featured a four-story, high-density
> 110
> >>>> unit residential condominium complex with multi-level parking for 132
> cars*.
> >>>> While the City Plan Commission did not support the proposal, we are
> >>>> strongly concerned that the kind of development the owners find to be
> >>>> appropriate is not in the neighborhood?s best interest.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We have been informed by the Executive Director of the Providence
> >>>> Preservation Society (PPS) that if there are enough signatures on the
> >>>> attached petition, he will bring this issue to the Wednesday PPS
> Board &
> >>>> Trustee Meeting.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Please support our neighborhood and sign the petition to PPS by
> clicking
> >>>> on this link:
> >>>> *
> https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition*
> >>>> <
> https://www.change.org/p/brent-runyon-preserve-our-community-support-our-neighborhood?recruiter=176272164&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, please consider attending this *Monday?s community meeting to
> >>>> address this issue at 6:30pm at the Central Church on 296 Angell St.*
> You
> >>>> can sign a pen and paper petition if you prefer there.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for your support!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ellen Darling, on behalf of the Blackstone Neighborhood Organization
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Summit mailing list
> >>>> Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> >>>>
> http://sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us
> >>>> SNA Website: http://sna.providence.ri.us/
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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