[Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 16
Dean W
thedeaner at gmail.com
Sun Jan 18 19:31:06 UTC 2015
Fr Eng,
We're not asking for your SSN or blood type. What we are asking for is:
1. To behave civilly on this list, which would include not slandering people by name or intentionally misspelling their name with intent to be mean.
2. To speak the truth as you know it, without your sole intention being to incite frustration, annoyance or anger in the others here.
3. To not pop up periodically to drop bombs on this list without responding to people when they ask you to elaborate on your point or prove your claims.
This is a discussion list. Stop behaving like a heckler.
Failure to follow these rules of civility will result in being removed from the list.
As for the trees and the fountain, you are confusing the City's process with SNA's approval. SNA never had to approve anything. The organization promoted the project, raised money, and turned the process over to the City. There were public meetings, all of which I attended. No one raised concerns about the trees until they marked them for removal.
Dean
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> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:04:01 -0500
> From: Jon Howard <jon at ceffect.com>
> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 15
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> Hi, Dean and neighbors
>
> No - we should not post anonymously.
> Yes - I would follow the discussion over to Facebook. In some ways I
> would prefer that format
> No - I don't think an anonymous survey would be a better way to thrash
> this out. We should comment right here like we discuss everything else.
> (Although it might make sense to also survey people who are not on this
> list.)
>
> We don't need an elaborate verification process - just let's set an
> expectation that we will all use our real names. The only thing this
> list really needs is enforcement of some minimum standards of discourse,
> including knowing who's speaking, by a moderator. From my observation, I
> don't think the moderator would have to step in often
>
> We need to remember that SNA and all its works are the product of
> voluntary effort by unpaid neighbors. A major purpose of SNA is for all
> us neighbors to get to know each other, and work together on things we
> care about. Anonymity defeats that purpose.
>
> SNA excludes no one, including the many people who consider themselves
> members but who have not paid dues. But it is a private membership
> organization and certainly has every right to exclude non members when
> they disrupt the purpose of the organization.
>
> I think it's silly for SNA to tolerate the amount of anonymous,false and
> tedious abuse meted out against it by one person on its own forum. That
> person should be banned.
>
> Jon Howard - Ninth St
>
>> On 1/17/15 1:00 PM, summit-request at sna.providence.ri.us wrote:
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>> 1. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13 (Kim Clark)
>> 2. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13 (Emlyn Addison)
>> 3. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13 (James Barfoot)
>> 4. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13 (aw)
>> 5. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13 (Emlyn Addison)
>> 6. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13 (Robert Mathiesen)
>> 7. Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13 (Art Norwalk)
>> 8. Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13 (John Bazik)
>> 9. Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 14 (Michael McGlynn)
>> 10. please unsubscribe me - after 40 some emails regarding one
>> subject, I am exhausted! (Karen Mcaninch)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:09:21 -0500
>> From: Kim Clark <ktcxyz at cox.net>
>> To: Elizabeth Grossman <egrossman1 at cox.net>
>> Cc: Neighborhood Association <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13
>> Message-ID: <6F9ECAA1-C95A-49EF-A6E1-692006B77577 at cox.net>
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>> the thing is, that harmless people like me, most of us? ok, maybe all of us except one clearly angry, unstable individual might not want THAT person to have OUR addresses.
>>
>> kim
>> dexterdale
>>
>> <http://www.rhodycraft.com/>
>>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Elizabeth Grossman <egrossman1 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John, wouldn't it be possible to ask everyone to self identify giving street address? In fact the board must already has that information for most subscribers because you hand deliver the newsletter. Admittedly this would be an honor system but that to be seems better than anonymity as it now operates. Elizabeth
>>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 11:31 AM, John Bazik wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 1. What is your simple Yes/No vote on making this list no longer anonymous?
>>>> Hey everyone, list administrator here. There are over 300 subscribers
>>>> to this list last time I checked. Any process for verifying subscriber
>>>> identity would be a manual one and would require that the list become
>>>> closed (in the sense that one cannot simply subscribe). I have little
>>>> doubt that the number of subscribers would drop precipitously in that
>>>> case. I'm not sure who is willing to vet new subscribers, or what that
>>>> process might be, but it sure isn't going to be me. Frankly, I don't
>>>> consider it practical or advisable, and I've said so privately to the
>>>> SNA board.
>>>>
>>>> Also, though some of you consider this to be a forum only for neighbors,
>>>> there are other kinds of subscribers. For instance, prospective and
>>>> elected officials, people shopping for housing, journalists, police
>>>> officers, expat neighbors. Do we shut them all out?
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:23:15 -0500
>> From: Emlyn Addison <noisyblocks at gmail.com>
>> To: Kim Clark <ktcxyz at cox.net>
>> Cc: Neighborhood Association <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13
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>> We can be assured in the knowledge that trolls' courage only manifests
>> itself from behind their keyboard fortresses.
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>> Emlyn
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>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Kim Clark <ktcxyz at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> the thing is, that harmless people like me, most of us? ok, maybe all of
>>> us except one clearly angry, unstable individual might not want THAT person
>>> to have OUR addresses.
>>>
>>> kim
>>> dexterdale
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:24:59 -0500
>> From: James Barfoot <barfootjim at gmail.com>
>> To: David Schrag <david at schrag.net>
>> Cc: Dean W <thedeaner at gmail.com>, Summit Listserv
>> <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13
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>> You can't have a proper community (village) without a village idiot. Tolerate, even enjoy an occasional rant, learn from whatever nugget of wisdom might be there, and carry on.
>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:25 PM, David Schrag <david at schrag.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Non-anonymity will be rather difficult to enforce. Are you planning to have folks e-mail you their latest utility bill to verify that they're using their real names? Lots of people have legitimate e-mail addresses without full identifiers (such as "thedeaner at gmail.com"), and if Bob Smith wants to call himself Sue Jones in his e-mail program he won't have any trouble doing so.
>>>
>>> I think you'll find it more practical to encourage people to use their real names (even Facebook can't enforce this policy) and to reserve the right to kick people off the list for obnoxious behavior, following some sort of due process (like a committee vote rather than a single person's decree).
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Dean W <thedeaner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From purely a "can of worms" perspective, I'm already regretting that I will send this email, but I have a few questions that some may want to weigh in on:
>>>
>>> 1. What is your simple Yes/No vote on making this list no longer anonymous?
>>>
>>> 2. Would you follow this list over to a Facebook Group format?
>>>
>>> 3. Would you rather these questions be asked in the form of an anonymous survey?
>>>
>>> Also, from my perspective as someone who has been intimately involved with SNA for over five years, everything this troll spews is 100% incorrect. There is exactly zero truth to any of it. It was suggested earlier that there may be a "little truth buried in their tirades", etc, but I am reporting to my neighbors today that there is in fact zero truth buried there.
>>>
>>> Sorry, the troll looked hungry.
>>>
>>> Lastly, as always I will report that SNA monthly meetings are ALWAYS open to EVERYONE, and in fact, we beg and plead you to please come join us. We are you. And it's fun! Third Monday of every month, 7pm at Summit Commons, 99 Hillside Ave. It's a neighborhood association for crying out loud, let's take it easy. :)
>>>
>>> Dean
>>>
>>>
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 20:47:16 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: aw <awoodward7 at verizon.net>
>> To: Kim Clark <ktcxyz at cox.net>, Elizabeth Grossman
>> <egrossman1 at cox.net>
>> Cc: Neighborhood Association <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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>> I would place a 'no' vote on the requirement. ?As someone mentioned, any attempt would / could just lead to false data. ?But, more importantly
>> then what? ?if you know who this person is, what would that change. ?
>> To add to the work of the volunteers for policing / administrating and end up with no different results doesn't seem worthwhile.~ amanda w.
>>
>> On Friday, January 16, 2015 1:10 PM, Kim Clark <ktcxyz at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> the thing is, that harmless people like me, most of us? ok, maybe all of us except one clearly angry, unstable individual might not want THAT person to have OUR addresses.
>> kimdexterdale
>> ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Elizabeth Grossman <egrossman1 at cox.net> wrote:
>> Hi John, ?wouldn't it be possible to ask everyone to self identify giving street address? ??In ?fact the board must already ?has that information for ?most subscribers ?because you hand deliver the newsletter. ?Admittedly this ?would be an honor system ?but that to be seems ?better than anonymity as it now operates. Elizabeth
>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 11:31 AM, John Bazik wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. What is your simple Yes/No vote on making this list no longer anonymous?
>>
>>
>> Hey everyone, list administrator here. ?There are over 300 subscribers
>> to this list last time I checked. ?Any process for verifying subscriber
>> identity would be a manual one and would require that the list become
>> closed (in the sense that one cannot simply subscribe). ?I have little
>> doubt that the number of subscribers would drop precipitously in that
>> case. ?I'm not sure who is willing to vet new subscribers, or what that
>> process might be, but it sure isn't going to be me. ?Frankly, I don't
>> consider it practical or advisable, and I've said so privately to the
>> SNA board.
>>
>> Also, though some of you consider this to be a forum only for neighbors,
>> there are other kinds of subscribers. ?For instance, prospective and
>> elected officials, people shopping for housing, journalists, police
>> officers, expat neighbors. ?Do we shut them all out?
>>
>> John
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:15:44 -0500
>> From: Emlyn Addison <noisyblocks at gmail.com>
>> To: aw <awoodward7 at verizon.net>
>> Cc: Neighborhood Association <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13
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>> "if you know who this person is, what would that change."
>>
>> There's the rub; trolls don't troll without the cover of anonymity.
>>
>>
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>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:47 PM, aw <awoodward7 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would place a 'no' vote on the requirement. As someone mentioned, any
>>> attempt would / could just lead to false data. But, more importantly
>>>
>>> then what? if you know who this person is, what would that change.
>>>
>>> To add to the work of the volunteers for policing / administrating and end
>>> up with no different results doesn't seem worthwhile.
>>> ~ amanda w.
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:19:52 -0500
>> From: Robert Mathiesen <rmath13 at gmail.com>
>> To: aw <awoodward7 at verizon.net>
>> Cc: Neighborhood Association <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13
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>> I think, after some reflection, that I will vote "no" also, roughly for
>> Amanda W's reasons: too much work for the moderators, and too many
>> practical difficulties.
>>
>> Also, there's no point using a pile-driver to swat a mosquito or two, when
>> a rolled-up newspaper would suffice. Also, so far as I can easily tell,
>> there is only one person (Fr Eng) who might be affected (or deterred?) by
>> this new requirement. Surely there are easier ways to deal with the
>> annoyance?
>>
>> And I think it might not be too hard for some computer-savvy people to work
>> out Fr Eng's real identity (without any criminal hacking), if they cared to
>> bother. He or she has given us a number of strong clues over the years.
>> That might be the best way to start rolling up the newspaper.
>>
>> Bob M
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:47 PM, aw <awoodward7 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would place a 'no' vote on the requirement. As someone mentioned, any
>>> attempt would / could just lead to false data. But, more importantly
>>>
>>> then what? if you know who this person is, what would that change.
>>>
>>> To add to the work of the volunteers for policing / administrating and end
>>> up with no different results doesn't seem worthwhile.
>>> ~ amanda w.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 16, 2015 1:10 PM, Kim Clark <ktcxyz at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> the thing is, that harmless people like me, most of us? ok, maybe all of
>>> us except one clearly angry, unstable individual might not want THAT person
>>> to have OUR addresses.
>>>
>>> kim
>>> dexterdale
>>>
>>> <http://www.rhodycraft.com/>
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Elizabeth Grossman <egrossman1 at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John, wouldn't it be possible to ask everyone to self identify giving
>>> street address? In fact the board must already has that information for
>>> most subscribers because you hand deliver the newsletter. Admittedly
>>> this would be an honor system but that to be seems better than anonymity
>>> as it now operates. Elizabeth
>>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 11:31 AM, John Bazik wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. What is your simple Yes/No vote on making this list no longer anonymous?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey everyone, list administrator here. There are over 300 subscribers
>>> to this list last time I checked. Any process for verifying subscriber
>>> identity would be a manual one and would require that the list become
>>> closed (in the sense that one cannot simply subscribe). I have little
>>> doubt that the number of subscribers would drop precipitously in that
>>> case. I'm not sure who is willing to vet new subscribers, or what that
>>> process might be, but it sure isn't going to be me. Frankly, I don't
>>> consider it practical or advisable, and I've said so privately to the
>>> SNA board.
>>>
>>> Also, though some of you consider this to be a forum only for neighbors,
>>> there are other kinds of subscribers. For instance, prospective and
>>> elected officials, people shopping for housing, journalists, police
>>> officers, expat neighbors. Do we shut them all out?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Summit mailing list
>>> Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>> http://sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us
>>> SNA Website: http://sna.providence.ri.us/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:26:56 -0500
>> From: Art Norwalk <art at norwalkcom.com>
>> To: Neighborhood Association <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] SPAM-LOW: Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13
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>> Wouldn't the simplest thing be to just bounce one clown off the list?
>>
>> At 04:15 PM 1/16/2015, Emlyn Addison wrote:
>>
>>> "if you know who this person is, what would that change."
>>>
>>> There's the rub; trolls don't troll without the cover of anonymity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:47 PM, aw
>>> <<mailto:awoodward7 at verizon.net>awoodward7 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> I would place a 'no' vote on the
>>> requirement.? As someone mentioned, any attempt
>>> would / could just lead to false data.? But, more importantly
>>>
>>> then what? ? if you know who this person is, what would that change. ?
>>>
>>> To add to the work of the volunteers for
>>> policing / administrating and end up with no
>>> different results doesn't seem worthwhile.
>>> ~ amanda w.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Summit mailing list
>>> Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
>>> http://sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us
>>> SNA Website: http://sna.providence.ri.us/
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:56:25 -0500
>> From: John Bazik <jbazik at gmail.com>
>> To: Art Norwalk <art at norwalkcom.com>
>> Cc: Neighborhood Association <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] SPAM-LOW: Re: Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13
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>>> Wouldn't the simplest thing be to just bounce one clown off the list?
>> I cannot ban people, only email addresses, and those are easy to come by.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:51:35 -0500
>> From: Michael McGlynn <mmcglynn at gmail.com>
>> To: "summit at sna.providence.ri.us" <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Summit] Summit Digest, Vol 118, Issue 14
>> Message-ID:
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>>>> 1. What is your simple Yes/No vote on making this list no longer
>> anonymous?<<
>>
>> No. Further, it is impossible to ensure identity short of a user
>> presenting, in person, his or her driver's license. We are quite unlikely
>> to do that and even that circumstance can be spoofed (ask any thirty
>> college student). A small community like that can and should police itself.
>>
>>>> 2. Would you follow this list over to a Facebook Group format?<<
>> No. Facebook has no right to advertise against our discussions.
>>
>>>> 3. Would you rather these questions be asked in the form of an anonymous
>> survey?<<
>>
>> Not necessary for me.
>
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> Subject: [Summit] Survey Answers
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> 1. Anonymity: As long as this list is public and/or open to anyone to join, I feel very strongly about keeping anonymity. If I post a curb alert, anyone could use my name, email address and street address for fraudulent purposes. If I were a domestic abuse victim trying to start over, the information in my emails could be used to locate and stalk me. This is why I use a pseudonym now for my email address. Losing this protection because of ONE troll seems to me to be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
> 2. Facebook: No. Aside from the privacy/advertising issues, the format itself isn't flexible enough for some features, such as sharing documents (e.g., lists of contractors) easily. [I could be wrong on this.]
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> 3. Anonymous survey: It would help ease traffic on the listserv. SurveyMonkey offers free online surveys.
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> Unsolicited opinion on trolls: It's the price of free speech, and while I do feel for the people who are slandered by the troll, I have been on the listserv long enough to ignore pretty much anything the troll has to say. I think others on the list do the same.
> Finally, thank you to Dean and others on the board for their service. It's unpaid and generally thankless work, but critical for our neighborhood and community.
> Best,
> Anonymous resident on 12th
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> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 10:49:55 -0500
> From: Fr Eng <ridotshaw at gmail.com>
> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> Subject: [Summit] In denial, who's who, reactionary
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> So,
> I have referred to a very factual incident - the destruction of trees on a
> much loved park. That was planned and started so a fountain could be
> rebuilt. Why go back to this terrible incident? Because when I first
> objected to the plan - when it was just a plan - the forum was told to just
> forget my objections. They would go away when the fountain was built.
> Well, when the destruction of trees started, the real neighborhood rose up,
> not SNA which had really proposed the project and approved the tree
> destruction.
>
> So now in addition to working to forget the mistake that was made and who
> was responsible (SNA), we want to obliterate any memory and objection to
> what some people think should happen in a neighborhood.
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> And people wonder why some think the East Side is elitist????
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> Nice broad brush reactionary response and responses. What do you want for
> me to id myself... my SS #? my blood type? my preferences? Wow!!!
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