[Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings

Coryndon Luxmoore coryndon at luxmoore.com
Fri Jan 22 07:45:23 CST 2016


Part of the cause of both of these issues (demo, bland thayer) is connected
to the current city tax policy. Those buildings are two families mostly and
paying non-owner residential taxes which means the tax bill is about half
of the rental revenue before other expenses. Local merchants struggle to
pay for the commercial property tax which borders on double the owner
occupied residential rate.

When you see Aponte handing over millions to demo building and build hotels
and the state taking the 195 land off the city tax rolls for a decade + just
know this process will continue.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 5:46 PM Jim Kelley <jim-kelley2 at cox.net> wrote:

> The current situation of no parking lots and no permit only parking and no
> meters  seems to be at an equilibrium favorable to both residents and
> businesses. I think the following factors also contribute: tolerant
> residents on side streets; less commercial and residential density than
> Thayer or, say, Somerville; and businesses such as Citizens Bank that
> tolerate after hours parking.
>
> Good health and happiness,
>   Jim Kelley
> Good health and happiness,
>   Jim Kelley
>
>
> Peter Gallant <Pete1188 at cox.net> wrote:
>
> I agree that it's short sighted to knock down buildings to accommodate
> more
> parking. To me, there seems to be a lot of restricted/resident stickered
> parking that isn't always used. If you take the spot, you get a ticket and
> it's not the easiest thing to figure out where you can and cannot park
> down
> around Thayer. (I've gotten a couple of tickets.) I'd go for more metered
> spots with slightly longer stay times and waaay less restricted/resident
> spaces. (They didn't used to have as many as they do now and it was always
> cool.)
>
> The Thayer area in general, like Harvard Square, has made some
> short-sighted
> moves to allow bigger chains to come in and displace smaller/local more
> interesting businesses. Heck, the Brown book store itself is a friggin'
> gift
> shop, let's be honest. The College Hill bookstore was waay better. In Your
> Ear . . . go down the list. It's pretty boring now.
>
>
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> >   1. Volunteer judges needed Jan 28th Exhibition Night Blackstone
> >      Academy Charter School (Gayle Gifford)
> >   2. truck/van -moving (flutesy at cox.net)
> >   3. Re: Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings
> >      for new parking lot (Aaron Masri)
> >   4. Re: Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings
> >      for new parking lot (Greg Gerritt)
> >   5. Re: Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings
> >      for new parking lot (John Bazik)
> >   6. Re: Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings
> >      for new parking lot (Aaron Masri)
> >   7. Re: Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings
> >      for new parking lot (Greg Gerritt)
> >   8. Re: Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings
> >      for new parking lot (Linda Pietras)
> >   9. Re: Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings
> >      for new parking lot (Jeffrey Cavanaugh)
> >  10. Re: Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill buildings
> >      for new parking lot (Jim Kelley)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:54:54 +0000
> > From: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
> > To: "summit at sna.providence.ri.us" <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> > Subject: [Summit] Volunteer judges needed Jan 28th Exhibition Night
> > Blackstone Academy Charter School
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> > Blackstone Academy Charter School, a progressive public charter high
> > school just over the border on Pleasant St in Pawtucket is looking for
> > volunteer judges for next Thursday. The Winter Exhibition features work
> > from 10th and 11th graders. It will be held on Thursday, January 28,
> 2016
> > (snow date 2/4) from 4:30 - 6:30. Students will showcase projects from
> > English, Math, Science, Social Studies, Spanish, Arts, PE or Community
> > Improvement Projects. 11th graders will do 15 minute presentations as in
> > the past and 10th graders will do 5 minute presentations. Each year
> there
> > is a huge variety of projects that students choose to exhibit, so if you
> > as a judge would like to see work from a specific discipline, please
> > indicate that on your response form.
> >
> > You will be assessing students on the clarity of their presentations,
> not
> > the content of the schoolwork. It's great fun and you'll get training at
> > 4:30.
> >
> > I've done this for the last four or five years, but can't make it this
> > year.
> > If you are interested, just complete the online registration. Here
> > http://bacsx-night.weebly.com/volunteer.html
> >
> > Best, Gayle
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:21:52 -0500
> > From: <flutesy at cox.net>
> > To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > Subject: [Summit] truck/van -moving
> > Message-ID: <20160120222152.OO3K8.39551.imail at eastrmwml108>
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> > Hello,
> >
> > Would anyone have  truck or van and be willing to help me  move boxes
> and
> > small furniture from here to CT?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Phyllis
> >
> > Should I be on Market for this...?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 9:59:33 -0500
> > From: Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net>
> > To: Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> > buildings for new parking lot
> > Message-ID: <20160121095933.PAMCU.196845.imail at eastrmwml113>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > So the city approved it, pending further information from Brown on their
> > future plans for the site.  It's embarrassing how short sighted our
> public
> > officials can be.  Think about how many parking lots there are in
> > Providence where a house or business used to stand.  Are we honestly
> > better off because of it?  Do businesses in the city really benefit from
> > having our housing stock flattened for their patrons?  I mean, no matter
> > how many demolitions in the city occur, there will never be enough
> > parking.  So when is it enough?  When do we take the long view of our
> land
> > development decisions and decide to say "no more".  It's just very
> > frustrating and goes against everything Providence as a "walkable city"
> > should stand for.  Of course, if we decide that the status quo is good
> > enough, then we should be honest and admit that walk ability is just not
> > as important making it easy to park our cars.
> >
> > ---- Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > I don't agree that more parking is needed on Thayer Street, but I get
> the
> > point that people feel that this is the case.  This parking lot will
> > provide 80 spaces.  There's a number of less destructive ways that 80
> > spaces can be created.  What about Brown University allowing parking in
> > their private lots on the weekends?  They could also allow the public to
> > park on those streets that the city abandoned when Mayor Taveras
> > renegotiated the PILOT agreement.  They could add a deck to one of the
> > surface lots they already own.  Or they could pursue one or more of the
> > strategies outlined in the Planning Department Study that I linked.
> It's
> > sad that an institution such as Brown University with its vast resources
> > is choosing the lowest possible usage for valuable real estate and not
> > heeding the lessons learns by other preservation efforts, such as
> Benefit
> > Street.
> > ---- Anne Diffily <adiff11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > But is a multilevel parking garage any worse than a flat blacktop lot at
> > ground level?
> >
> > The truth is that more parking is needed to absorb the needs of the
> Thayer
> > commercial strip.... not just the stores serving local students, but lots
> > of nice/interesting restaurants, the Avon Cinema, etc. that appeal to
> > year-round residents.
> >
> > Just MHO.
> >
> > Anne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:15:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> > From: Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
> > To: Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net>, Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> > buildings for new parking lot
> > Message-ID:
> > <8567586.1453389320969.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > This is a key issue that capitalism and the crony type governments it
> > creates ignore all the time, the issue of cumulative impact.  Each
> > decision on its own can be good or bad, but clearly death by a thousand
> > cuts is what is ignored.  greg gerritt
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net>
> >>Sent: Jan 21, 2016 9:59 AM
> >>To: Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> >>Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> >>buildings for new parking lot
> >>
> >>So the city approved it, pending further information from Brown on their
> >>future plans for the site.  It's embarrassing how short sighted our
> public
> >>officials can be.  Think about how many parking lots there are in
> >>Providence where a house or business used to stand.  Are we honestly
> >>better off because of it?  Do businesses in the city really benefit from
> >>having our housing stock flattened for their patrons?  I mean, no matter
> >>how many demolitions in the city occur, there will never be enough
> >>parking.  So when is it enough?  When do we take the long view of our
> land
> >>development decisions and decide to say "no more".  It's just very
> >>frustrating and goes against everything Providence as a "walkable city"
> >>should stand for.  Of course, if we decide that the status quo is good
> >>enough, then we should be honest and admit that walk ability is just not
> >>as important making it easy to park our cars.
> >>
> >>---- Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>=============
> >>I don't agree that more parking is needed on Thayer Street, but I get
> the
> >>point that people feel that this is the case.  This parking lot will
> >>provide 80 spaces.  There's a number of less destructive ways that 80
> >>spaces can be created.  What about Brown University allowing parking in
> >>their private lots on the weekends?  They could also allow the public to
> >>park on those streets that the city abandoned when Mayor Taveras
> >>renegotiated the PILOT agreement.  They could add a deck to one of the
> >>surface lots they already own.  Or they could pursue one or more of the
> >>strategies outlined in the Planning Department Study that I linked.
> It's
> >>sad that an institution such as Brown University with its vast resources
> >>is choosing the lowest possible usage for valuable real estate and not
> >>heeding the lessons learns by other preservation efforts, such as
> Benefit
> >>Street.
> >>---- Anne Diffily <adiff11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>=============
> >>But is a multilevel parking garage any worse than a flat blacktop lot at
> >>ground level?
> >>
> >>The truth is that more parking is needed to absorb the needs of the
> Thayer
> >>commercial strip.... not just the stores serving local students, but lots
> >>of nice/interesting restaurants, the Avon Cinema, etc. that appeal to
> >>year-round residents.
> >>
> >>Just MHO.
> >>
> >>Anne
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:07:02 -0500
> > From: John Bazik <jbazik at gmail.com>
> > To: Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net>
> > Cc: Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> > buildings for new parking lot
> > Message-ID: <20160121160702.GH7474 at cs.brown.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:59:33AM -0500, Aaron Masri wrote:
> >> So the city approved it...
> >
> > By "city" do you mean the City Plan Commission?  Providence's
> > Comprehensive Plan contains strong language discouraging the creation of
> > new surface parking lots and encouraging the redevelopment of existing
> > ones.  Adding surface parking to Thayer St is directly in opposition
> > to the city's planning goals.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:10:48 -0500
> > From: Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net>
> > To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> > buildings for new parking lot
> > Message-ID: <20160121111048.IZA70.197332.imail at eastrmwml113>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Yes, I meant the City Plan Commission, and, yes, the comprehensive plan
> > and Thayer Street Planning Study discourage the creation of surface
> lots.
> > Unfortunately, it appears that these documents are not worth the paper
> > they're printed on.
> > ---- John Bazik <jbazik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:59:33AM -0500, Aaron Masri wrote:
> >> So the city approved it...
> >
> > By "city" do you mean the City Plan Commission?  Providence's
> > Comprehensive Plan contains strong language discouraging the creation of
> > new surface parking lots and encouraging the redevelopment of existing
> > ones.  Adding surface parking to Thayer St is directly in opposition
> > to the city's planning goals.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:18:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> > From: Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
> > To: Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net>, summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> > buildings for new parking lot
> > Message-ID:
> > <3921057.1453393099000.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > or even the electrons
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Aaron Masri <amasri1 at cox.net>
> >>Sent: Jan 21, 2016 11:10 AM
> >>To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> >>Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> >>buildings for new parking lot
> >>
> >>Yes, I meant the City Plan Commission, and, yes, the comprehensive plan
> >>and Thayer Street Planning Study discourage the creation of surface
> lots.
> >>Unfortunately, it appears that these documents are not worth the paper
> >>they're printed on.
> >>---- John Bazik <jbazik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>=============
> >>On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:59:33AM -0500, Aaron Masri wrote:
> >>> So the city approved it...
> >>
> >>By "city" do you mean the City Plan Commission?  Providence's
> >>Comprehensive Plan contains strong language discouraging the creation of
> >>new surface parking lots and encouraging the redevelopment of existing
> >>ones.  Adding surface parking to Thayer St is directly in opposition
> >>to the city's planning goals.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:36:47 +0000
> > From: Linda Pietras <l_pietras at hotmail.com>
> > To: <amasri1 at cox.net>, <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> > buildings for new parking lot
> > Message-ID: <BLU170-W579F734CA20B50113E684094C30 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hope St shops do well without any parking lots north of Rochambeau.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:10:48 -0500
> >> From: amasri1 at cox.net
> >> To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> >> Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> >> buildings for new parking lot
> >>
> >> Yes, I meant the City Plan Commission, and, yes, the comprehensive plan
> >> and Thayer Street Planning Study discourage the creation of surface
> lots.
> >> Unfortunately, it appears that these documents are not worth the paper
> >> they're printed on.
> >> ---- John Bazik <jbazik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> =============
> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:59:33AM -0500, Aaron Masri wrote:
> >> > So the city approved it...
> >>
> >> By "city" do you mean the City Plan Commission?  Providence's
> >> Comprehensive Plan contains strong language discouraging the creation of
> >> new surface parking lots and encouraging the redevelopment of existing
> >> ones.  Adding surface parking to Thayer St is directly in opposition
> >> to the city's planning goals.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
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> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:47:21 +0000
> > From: Jeffrey Cavanaugh <jeff at cavanaugh.org>
> > To: Linda Pietras <l_pietras at hotmail.com>, amasri1 at cox.net,
> > summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> > buildings for new parking lot
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> > The lack of parking lots in the Hope/Rochambeau area seems to be a
> benefit
> > of the long present no overnight parking ban in Providence. The city has
> > grown with places to put resident's cars off street, leaving the streets
> > available for "live" parking, which helps support local businesses, I
> > think, without big parking lots. In cities that allow on-street parking
> > very often the only live spaces would be on Hope and Rochambeau, right in
> > the district, and the surrounding streets would be "permit parking only".
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:37 AM Linda Pietras <l_pietras at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hope St shops do well without any parking lots north of Rochambeau.
> >>
> >> Linda
> >>
> >> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:10:48 -0500
> >> > From: amasri1 at cox.net
> >>
> >> > To: summit at sna.providence.ri.us
> >> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> >> buildings for new parking lot
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I meant the City Plan Commission, and, yes, the comprehensive
> plan
> >> and Thayer Street Planning Study discourage the creation of surface
> lots.
> >> Unfortunately, it appears that these documents are not worth the paper
> >> they're printed on.
> >> > ---- John Bazik <jbazik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > =============
> >> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:59:33AM -0500, Aaron Masri wrote:
> >> > > So the city approved it...
> >> >
> >> > By "city" do you mean the City Plan Commission? Providence's
> >> > Comprehensive Plan contains strong language discouraging the creation
> >> > of
> >> > new surface parking lots and encouraging the redevelopment of existing
> >> > ones. Adding surface parking to Thayer St is directly in opposition
> >> > to the city's planning goals.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
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> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:07:48 -0500
> > From: Jim Kelley <jim-kelley2 at cox.net>
> > To: Jeffrey Cavanaugh <jeff at cavanaugh.org>
> > Cc: Linda Pietras <l_pietras at hotmail.com>, Aaron Masri
> > <amasri1 at cox.net>, Summit Neighborhood e-mail
> > <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> > Subject: Re: [Summit] Projo: Brown plans to knock down 7 College Hill
> > buildings for new parking lot
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> > The current situation of no parking lots and no permit only parking and
> no
> > meters  seems to be at an equilibrium favorable to both residents and
> > businesses. I think the following factors also contribute: tolerant
> > residents on side streets; less commercial and residential density than
> > Thayer or, say, Somerville; and businesses such as Citizens Bank that
> > tolerate after hours parking.
> >
> > Good health and happiness,
> > ? Jim Kelley
> >
> > Jeffrey Cavanaugh <jeff at cavanaugh.org> wrote:
> >
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