[Summit] Panhandlers

Emlyn Addison noisyblocks at gmail.com
Mon Jun 13 12:34:21 CDT 2016


So am I, Bob. But like I said, the cheaters ruin it for the rest of us, yet
they can count on the fact that we'll continue to give.

(Telemarketing firms, however, are a different beast.)

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Robert Mathiesen <rmath13 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course there are profiteers, Emlyn.  There always are, wherever there
> is real need: predators always go where there is prey.  But even so, I give
> when I'm asked, in case the person might genuinely be in need.  I'm with
> Jim Barfoot and Ethan Gyles on that.   I can always live a little more
> frugally than I am at the moment, so that someone else might eat or drink
> or have clothes or shelter.  And who knows, someday I, too, may need to
> rely on the kindness of others.  --  Bob M
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Emlyn Addison <noisyblocks at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I do still give to panhandlers (though almost never to telemarketers; I
>> now donate online), but these latest reports have me wondering if
>> Providence's lax enforcement has attracted profiteers.
>>
>> Emlyn
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Ethan Gyles <ethangy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With you there, Jim. My personal philosophy is that if I'm carrying a
>>> couple bucks and a person on the street asks humbly, I'll give. What will I
>>> regret at the end: giving a little away to somebody I don't know who
>>> appeared to be in need, or turning away, believing I knew better?
>>>
>>> Ethan
>>> Hillside Ave.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Jim Barfoot <barfootjim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Which should I feel worst about - giving a few bucks to a scam artist
>>> who doesn't need it? Or refusing to give the same amount to someone who
>>> does? If I can afford it, does the shame of being tricked outweigh the help
>>> I could give to someone in need?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Emlyn Addison <noisyblocks at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I vividly recall, in the weeks following the 9/11 attacks, that it
>>> surfaced that telemarketing outfits were calling people and asking for
>>> donations under the pretense of being charities for the
>>> firefighters/police/victims' families directly affected by the tragedy. As
>>> it turned out, almost all of these early donation drives were outright
>>> scams.
>>>
>>> Nothing in my experience up to that point had prepared me for such cold
>>> selfishness and greed; bottom-feeders looking to score easy money off
>>> emotionally vulnerable people. It prompted a mental shift--that I simply
>>> refused any longer to trust anyone asking for my money (how many on this
>>> list have personally heard the story about needing a few bucks because
>>> they've "run out of gas"? I count at least 3 times.)
>>>
>>> It's the age-old problem: cheaters ruin it for the rest of us. We know
>>> that most panhandlers are homeless, hungry, and in need; but which ones
>>> aren't? Are they being further marginalized by organized scammers?
>>>
>>>
>>> Emlyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Theresa Mathiesen <elvamath at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right after Sept. 11, 2001, I observed something that bears on this
>>>> topic (panhandling).
>>>>
>>>> I was in Tealuxe, on the corner of Thayer and Angell Streets.  (I went
>>>> there every day on my work breaks.)  Firemen were collecting money from
>>>> motorists stopped at the traffic light on Angell St., at the intersection
>>>> with Thayer St.  They were collecting for the families of the firemen
>>>> killed during the assault on the Twin Towers in New York City.  Lots of
>>>> people put money in the firemen's boots they held out.
>>>>
>>>> But, ever the scientist, I wanted a "control" -- that is, another
>>>> situation, similar but different.  People were collecting money at the
>>>> intersection of North Main and Branch Ave.  Or maybe it was Smithfield.  In
>>>> those days the people collecting at these intersections wore smocks with
>>>> printing on them telling what they were collecting for, but I could never
>>>> see the smocks well enough to read them.  So we have to assume that their
>>>> charity, if there was one, was unknown.  And just as many drivers were
>>>> putting money into these people's baskets and cans as into the firemen's
>>>> boots!
>>>>
>>>> My conclusion was and is that big intersections are fountains of free
>>>> money.  "Ask and ye shall receive".  No wonder the people are fighting over
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Elva
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Emlyn Addison <noisyblocks at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FYI, just posted today on Facebook by a friend of mine:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I always suspected that the panhandlers in Providence were part of
>>>>> some organized group (vast conspiracy etc.) Today I saw a woman with the
>>>>> typical "homeless, anything will help" sign standing at an intersection. A
>>>>> man (her manager? handler?) sitting on a low wall on the side of the road
>>>>> said to her "you can come over here and sit for 10 minutes, then you have
>>>>> to get back out there."
>>>>>
>>>>> Also today, one intersection away from there, another "homeless" was
>>>>> holding a similar sign, but as I passed her I noticed she was texting on
>>>>> one of those giant iPhone 6s that she was hiding behind the sign.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also seen a new homeless person "relieve" another, as if they
>>>>> were punching in and the other person was punching out."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt it's the norm, but these kind of observations are concerning.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Emlyn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Andrew Cagen <cagenlaw at acagen.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would also be very interested in attending. It would be good if
>>>>>> some of the people whom we see at intersections every day were there as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> Andy Cagen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Tony Adams <aa44ee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would definitely attend such a meeting!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 13:29, Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m sure that if the neighborhood were interested, we could arrange a
>>>>>> community information session at Rochambeau Library with some of the folks
>>>>>> who have strong outreach programs to the homeless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diana Burdett, who lives in Summit, is Executive Director of PICA, a
>>>>>> really fabulous and grossly underfunded agency (true for all listed below)
>>>>>> that has a homeless outreach program that works very hard to help those who
>>>>>> are homeless to apply for benefits, have warrants cleared (many of which
>>>>>> are for fines they can’t afford to pay), and connect with other services.
>>>>>> PICA also runs the largest food pantry in the state (which I first worked
>>>>>> with PICA a few years ago they were serving about 250 folks per month. They
>>>>>> now serve 12,000) https://www.facebook.com/pvdintownchurches/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Megan Smith is a fierce advocate and works in outreach for House of
>>>>>> Hope CDC. (the organization working with WBNA).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Rhode Island Coalition for the Homeless is just up the street at
>>>>>> 170 Main Street Pawtucket. Their director is Jim Ryczek.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If folks would be interested, I am happy to reach out to them. Many
>>>>>> of the organizations that serve those who are poor or without a home have
>>>>>> been clients of mine .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gayle Gifford
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “A 2014 Bankrate survey, echoing the Fed’s data, found that only 38
>>>>>> percent of Americans would cover a $1,000 emergency-room visit or $500 car
>>>>>> repair with money they’d saved. Two reports published last year by the Pew
>>>>>> Charitable Trusts found, respectively, that 55 percent of households didn’t
>>>>>> have enough liquid savings to replace a month’s worth of lost income, and
>>>>>> that of the 56 percent of people who said they’d worried about their
>>>>>> finances in the previous year, 71 percent were concerned about having
>>>>>> enough money to cover everyday expenses. “
>>>>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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