<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div></div><div>Well</div><div>The credit apllies also when you install the system, many clients of us got it.</div><div>So, lets stop to put more trash in the earth and preserve what we have and also</div><div>get moeny back from the governament.</div><div>Marco</div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dean W <dreammail22@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "summit@sna.providence.ri.us" <summit@sna.providence.ri.us><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:07:14 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Summit] Window restoration<br></font><br>Restoring may well be a better eco-option, but there is a tax credit for new energy-efficient windows.<br><br>Check out energystar.gov for some info, and if you need further help please feel free to give me a call!<br><br>401-405-1040 <br><br><br>Dean<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26 AM, <a ymailto="mailto:summit-request@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit-request@sna.providence.ri.us">summit-request@sna.providence.ri.us</a> wrote:<br><br>Send Summit mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us">summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://mail.sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us"
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(Breslers)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:36:38 -0400<br>From: Jonathan Howard <<a ymailto="mailto:jon@ceffect.com" href="mailto:jon@ceffect.com">jon@ceffect.com</a>><br>Subject: [Summit] Window restoration<br>To: SUMMIT <<a ymailto="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us">summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:843B4A2F-BD5D-4644-8897-373A51406F80@ceffect.com" href="mailto:843B4A2F-BD5D-4644-8897-373A51406F80@ceffect.com">843B4A2F-BD5D-4644-8897-373A51406F80@ceffect.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes<br><br>Saturday, I attended a workshop on windows and home heating efficiency <br>at the RI Sustainability Festival. There were reps from Heritage <br>Restoration and from Marvin windows. The areas of agreement in
the <br>"new versus restore" debate were much broader than I would have <br>thought. Among these:<br>- Restoration is the best option when possible.<br>- Wood is the best sash material in terms of heat conductivity and <br>long-term (200 years+) durability, even if you replace.<br>- A storm window over a traditional window can provide essentially the <br>same protection as a new replacement window without a storm.<br>- Vinyl windows are generally the worst for discoloration, <br>conductivity and rapid loss of integrity.<br>- Even the best new windows are huge sources of heat loss compared to <br>well insulated walls.<br>- All windows, including replacement, require maintenance or they will <br>begin to leak air and break down.<br>- The insulating value of special glass, double panes, etc. is not a <br>significant factor in your heating bill.<br>- The objectives of either replacement or repair should
be:<br> 1. Minimize/eliminate direct air leaks<br> 2. Meet your own needs for natural lighting.<br> 3. Create the right balance of heat gain from sunlight with heat loss.<br><br>The speaker from Heritage Restoration said they can restore function <br>to any double hung window for $50, including replacing ropes. For <br>$850, they will completely renovate the window, stripping and <br>repainting it, providing weather stripping to stop leaks. THey had a <br>$550 option, too. The guy from Marvin Windows was also extremely <br>knowledgeable. They make some beautiful windows, but the really good <br>ones cost as much as restoration.<br><br><span>You can see the restoration process at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.heritagerestoration.net">www.heritagerestoration.net</a>.</span><br><span>The Marvin dealer's website is at <a target="_blank"
href="http://www.awhastings.com">www.awhastings.com</a>.</span><br><br>Also, they suggested getting a "blow door" test from Green Seal to <br>measure air loss in your whole home before doing anything else. I've <br>just called to set this up.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Jonathan Howard<br>Cause & Effect. Inc.<br>178 Ninth Street,<br>Providence, RI 02906<br>401.331.2272<br><br><a ymailto="mailto:jon@ceffect.com" href="mailto:jon@ceffect.com">jon@ceffect.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:44:49 -0400<br>From: "O'Kelly, Charlotte" <<a ymailto="mailto:COKELLY@providence.edu" href="mailto:COKELLY@providence.edu">COKELLY@providence.edu</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Summit] Window restoration<br>To: Jonathan Howard <<a ymailto="mailto:jon@ceffect.com" href="mailto:jon@ceffect.com">jon@ceffect.com</a>>, SUMMIT<br> <<a
ymailto="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us">summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:6B325ABD22AF6C418B21483F8E415C0995B743F3E5@EXCHMBXCL.providence.col" href="mailto:6B325ABD22AF6C418B21483F8E415C0995B743F3E5@EXCHMBXCL.providence.col">6B325ABD22AF6C418B21483F8E415C0995B743F3E5@EXCHMBXCL.providence.col</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>I think Marco (lives in the neighborhood and often posts on this site) at Better than Ever Windows does a good job at sealing and restoring windows at a cheaper price. He did all of ours and we are very pleased.<br>I think they look much better than the replacement windows. <br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:summit-bounces@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit-bounces@sna.providence.ri.us">summit-bounces@sna.providence.ri.us</a> [mailto:<a
ymailto="mailto:summit-bounces@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit-bounces@sna.providence.ri.us">summit-bounces@sna.providence.ri.us</a>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Howard<br>Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:37 PM<br>To: SUMMIT<br>Subject: [Summit] Window restoration<br><br>Saturday, I attended a workshop on windows and home heating efficiency <br>at the RI Sustainability Festival. There were reps from Heritage <br>Restoration and from Marvin windows. The areas of agreement in the <br>"new versus restore" debate were much broader than I would have <br>thought. Among these:<br>- Restoration is the best option when possible.<br>- Wood is the best sash material in terms of heat conductivity and <br>long-term (200 years+) durability, even if you replace.<br>- A storm window over a traditional window can provide essentially the <br>same protection as a new replacement window without a storm.<br>- Vinyl windows are
generally the worst for discoloration, <br>conductivity and rapid loss of integrity.<br>- Even the best new windows are huge sources of heat loss compared to <br>well insulated walls.<br>- All windows, including replacement, require maintenance or they will <br>begin to leak air and break down.<br>- The insulating value of special glass, double panes, etc. is not a <br>significant factor in your heating bill.<br>- The objectives of either replacement or repair should be:<br> 1. Minimize/eliminate direct air leaks<br> 2. Meet your own needs for natural lighting.<br> 3. Create the right balance of heat gain from sunlight with heat loss.<br><br>The speaker from Heritage Restoration said they can restore function <br>to any double hung window for $50, including replacing ropes. For <br>$850, they will completely renovate the window, stripping and <br>repainting it, providing weather stripping to
stop leaks. THey had a <br>$550 option, too. The guy from Marvin Windows was also extremely <br>knowledgeable. They make some beautiful windows, but the really good <br>ones cost as much as restoration.<br><br><span>You can see the restoration process at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.heritagerestoration.net">www.heritagerestoration.net</a>.</span><br><span>The Marvin dealer's website is at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.awhastings.com">www.awhastings.com</a>.</span><br><br>Also, they suggested getting a "blow door" test from Green Seal to <br>measure air loss in your whole home before doing anything else. I've <br>just called to set this up.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Jonathan Howard<br>Cause & Effect. Inc.<br>178 Ninth Street,<br>Providence, RI 02906<br>401.331.2272<br><br><a ymailto="mailto:jon@ceffect.com"
href="mailto:jon@ceffect.com">jon@ceffect.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Summit mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Summit@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:Summit@sna.providence.ri.us">Summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a><br><a href="http://mail.sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us" target="_blank">http://mail.sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us</a><br>SNA Website: <a href="http://sna.providence.ri.us/" target="_blank">http://sna.providence.ri.us/</a><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT)<br>From: marco pereira <<a ymailto="mailto:markenid2004@yahoo.com" href="mailto:markenid2004@yahoo.com">markenid2004@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Summit] Window restoration<br>To: Jonathan Howard <<a ymailto="mailto:jon@ceffect.com"
href="mailto:jon@ceffect.com">jon@ceffect.com</a>>, SUMMIT<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us">summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:60225.82900.qm@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com" href="mailto:60225.82900.qm@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com">60225.82900.qm@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Good Afternoon<br><br><span>I read your posting about window restoration on the website and wanted to tell you about my system. I have a website <a target="_blank" href="http://www.jaymarcowindows.com">www.jaymarcowindows.com</a> I too, believe in restoring the exisiting windows, however, I believe it is necessary to insulate the window cavity, where the lead weights are and to make the windows lead safe in the process. My system, is also less expensive than replacements, but I believe much more
economical in the end. I have installed over 1,000 windows on the East Side this last year and would be happy to discuss upgrading your windows to operate more smoothly and more efficiently, Thanks, Marco Pereira, owner of Better Than Ever Window Preservation.</span><br><br><br><br>________________________________<br>From: Jonathan Howard <<a ymailto="mailto:jon@ceffect.com" href="mailto:jon@ceffect.com">jon@ceffect.com</a>><br>To: SUMMIT <<a ymailto="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us">summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>><br>Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:36:38 PM<br>Subject: [Summit] Window restoration<br><br>Saturday, I attended a workshop on windows and home heating efficiency at the RI Sustainability Festival. There were reps from Heritage Restoration and from Marvin windows. The areas of agreement in the "new versus restore" debate were much broader than I would have
thought. Among these:<br>- Restoration is the best option when possible.<br>- Wood is the best sash material in terms of heat conductivity and long-term (200 years+) durability, even if you replace.<br>- A storm window over a traditional window can provide essentially the same protection as a new replacement window without a storm.<br>- Vinyl windows are generally the worst for discoloration, conductivity and rapid loss of integrity.<br>- Even the best new windows are huge sources of heat loss compared to well insulated walls.<br>- All windows, including replacement, require maintenance or they will begin to leak air and break down.<br>- The insulating value of special glass, double panes, etc. is not a significant factor in your heating bill.<br>- The objectives of either replacement or repair should be:<br> 1. Minimize/eliminate direct air leaks<br> 2. Meet your own needs for natural lighting.<br> 3. Create the right balance of
heat gain from sunlight with heat loss.<br><br>The speaker from Heritage Restoration said they can restore function to any double hung window for $50, including replacing ropes. For $850, they will completely renovate the window, stripping and repainting it, providing weather stripping to stop leaks. THey had a $550 option, too. The guy from Marvin Windows was also extremely knowledgeable. They make some beautiful windows, but the really good ones cost as much as restoration.<br><br><span>You can see the restoration process at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.heritagerestoration.net">www.heritagerestoration.net</a>.</span><br><span>The Marvin dealer's website is at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.awhastings.com">www.awhastings.com</a>.</span><br><br>Also, they suggested getting a "blow door" test from Green Seal to measure air loss in your whole home before doing anything else. I've just called to set this
up.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Jonathan Howard<br>Cause & Effect. Inc.<br>178 Ninth Street,<br>Providence, RI 02906<br>401.331.2272<br><br><a ymailto="mailto:jon@ceffect.com" href="mailto:jon@ceffect.com">jon@ceffect.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Summit mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Summit@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:Summit@sna.providence.ri.us">Summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a><br><a href="http://mail.sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us" target="_blank">http://mail.sna.providence.ri.us/mailman/listinfo/summit_sna.providence.ri.us</a><br>SNA Website: <a href="http://sna.providence.ri.us/" target="_blank">http://sna.providence.ri.us/</a><br><br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a
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href="mailto:Summit@sna.providence.ri.us">Summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:d5595ab00909290526v52ececd6r3098eab23468e6ca@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:d5595ab00909290526v52ececd6r3098eab23468e6ca@mail.gmail.com">d5595ab00909290526v52ececd6r3098eab23468e6ca@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Yup. When I was involved in housing issues, in the 70s and 80s, the real<br>estate lobby was the 2nd largest in this country (after the medical lobby)<br>I'm not against business/profit, but it seems the option of certain basic<br>necessities, no frills, needs to be available outside that loop.<br><br>It seems the wars over super market shelving are getting nasty also,<br>difficult for any one wanting to buy less "popular" products. (The product<br>has to RENT shelf space now- so they want to get their money's worth of<br>sales or forget it!!) Have you noticed, for
instance, that the tooth paste<br>& mouth wash shelves are basicly umpteem (artificial) flavors of the the<br>same two brands now, and most other choice is gone?<br>And that for many foods/ingredients, only large sizes make the someone<br>enough money to bother with inventory, so you have to buy more than you<br>need, or even fits on your shelves...<br><br>Oh boy I sound like an old fogey.<br>There ARE a lot of great new things, but it doesn't make these changes not a<br>problem.<br><br>Elianna<br><br>On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Greg Gerritt <<a ymailto="mailto:gerritt@mindspring.com" href="mailto:gerritt@mindspring.com">gerritt@mindspring.com</a>>wrote:<br><br>Andy is right on. We have a policy to inflate housing prices, not create<br>housing that people can actually afford. Mostly becasue the bankers can buy<br>congress. greg gerritt<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Andrew Nosal <<a
ymailto="mailto:andy@mapcenter.com" href="mailto:andy@mapcenter.com">andy@mapcenter.com</a>><br>Sent: Sep 28, 2009 9:37 AM<br>To: Summit Neighborhood <<a ymailto="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us" href="mailto:summit@sna.providence.ri.us">summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>><br>Subject: [Summit] Running amuck without housing<br><br><br>All those housing purchases made by people who could ultimately not<br>afford them, drove up housing prices.<br><br>Even well meaning people have absorbed the above bit of propaganda<br>that brilliantly directs blame on the victims! OK. The victim's own<br>greed is an essential ingredient of any successful Con Game but please<br>remember who were the con men and who were the victims here. Pay<br>attention to which parties were, and remain, comfortable and<br>powerful, and which went from loserdom to a brief spell of illusory<br>luck, and back to loserdom.<br><br>Even All Things Considered
never examines the assumption that it will<br>be good news when housing prices start going up again. Why is it is<br>better that millions of houses be boarded up, abandoned and destroyed<br>to clear the oversupply of houses and keep prices up, instead of<br>getting them back on the market and letting their prices drop to<br>levels where people can afford to live in them? - To protect the<br>collateral behind any mortgages that still may be paid off.<br><br>It is no accident that everyone thinks that Housing Policy today is<br>chaotic and ineffective. It is best to keep quiet about the real goal<br>of Housing Policy, which is being effectively pursued. It is to<br>protect the financial empires built on collecting interest on loans<br>made on overpriced housing - - NOT to get roofs over people's heads.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Summit mailing list<br><a
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