Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I don't live all that near the tot lot, but my wife and I take walks by it some days. To me the tot lot looks comfortable and well-used with all those toys. Personally, I like a neighborhood to look a little run-down at the heels and comfortable to live in. A newly spiffed-up urban neighborhood may have higher property values, to be sure. But -- to me, at least -- a spiffed-up neighborhood feels somewhat hostile and unwelcoming, like a living room full of fancy furniture than no one dare use for fear of soiling it. Give me an old, well-used sofa any day.<br>
<br>Just my two cents. YMMV, of course.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kbmcaninch@aol.com" target="_blank">kbmcaninch@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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40 comments on one subject, just wondering if it's time to move on?
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<pre style="font-size:9pt"><tt>I actually don't care what it used for - I think there is room for everyone --
even a dog run. I just think it looks rather shabby with so many plastic toys
left about. If you a child brings, day, a plastic buggy, they should bring it
back home with them. Anything left behind should be treated as trash.
Craig Borges
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> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:16:08 -0400
> From: John Bazik <<a>jsb@cs.brown.edu</a>>
> To: Anthony Arrigo <<a>anthony.f.arrigo@gmail.com</a>>
> Cc: <a>summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Tot Lot redesign backstory
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> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 03:58:57PM -0400, Anthony Arrigo wrote:
>> n space at the far end the park as-is. The benefits to ALL community
>> members -- young and old, parents or not -- that a garden will bring,
>
> First, let me say that I applaud the good work that SNA and it's board
> and members do. I remain a strong supporter.
>
> But I reluctantly have to ask: how does a community garden benefit
> everyone? It seems to me that it benefits only the city, which gets
> some revenue, and the people who lease plots, who get to grow produce
> and keep it. Other park users lose 10% of their park.
>
> Sorry, I just don't see it.
>
> John
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:15:50 -0400
> From: Andrew Nosal <<a>andy@mapcenter.com</a>>
> To: John Bazik <<a>jsb@cs.brown.edu</a>>, Summit Neighborhood
> <<a>summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>>
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Tot Lot redesign backstory
> Message-ID: <<a>C8EDF2CE-E969-41A6-9BAE-AF26004C9F63@mapcenter.com</a>>
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> The sight of vegetables growing in part of the park will please me
> even if I do not get to pick them. Would you be objecting to 10% of
> the park being a flowerbed or shrubbery?
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 4:16 PM, John Bazik wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 03:58:57PM -0400, Anthony Arrigo wrote:
>>> n space at the far end the park as-is. The benefits to ALL community
>>> members -- young and old, parents or not -- that a garden will bring,
>>
>> First, let me say that I applaud the good work that SNA and it's board
>> and members do. I remain a strong supporter.
>>
>> But I reluctantly have to ask: how does a community garden benefit
>> everyone? It seems to me that it benefits only the city, which gets
>> some revenue, and the people who lease plots, who get to grow produce
>> and keep it. Other park users lose 10% of their park.
>>
>> Sorry, I just don't see it.
>>
>> John
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:30:46 -0400
> From: Elizabeth Grossman <<a>egrossman1@cox.net</a>>
> To: John Bazik <<a>jsb@cs.brown.edu</a>>
> Cc: Anthony Arrigo <<a>anthony.f.arrigo@gmail.com</a>>,
> <a>summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Tot Lot plan in support of the community
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> I am not one of those who will garden in the community garden, and indeed I
don't grow veggies myself but I would say three things in enthusiastic support
of them
> in my experience, community gardens have proved themselves as ways of
building community... not only among the gardeners but among those who get to
witness and appreciate the work that goes into making things grow .. aka the
kibitzers
> furthermore in this day of food that appears in stretch wrap at the
supermarket it is valuable for kids in particular, but all of us, to see the
hard work and skill that goes into making things grow
> when that bumper crop of squash and cucumbers appears and the veggies are
on offer to takers, or sent off to community kitchens as often happens we will
all reap the benefits of neighborliness whether we actually partake of the
bounty or not.
> Elizabeth
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 4:16 PM, John Bazik wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 03:58:57PM -0400, Anthony Arrigo wrote:
>>> n space at the far end the park as-is. The benefits to ALL community
>>> members -- young and old, parents or not -- that a garden will bring,
>>
>> First, let me say that I applaud the good work that SNA and it's board
>> and members do. I remain a strong supporter.
>>
>> But I reluctantly have to ask: how does a community garden benefit
>> everyone? It seems to me that it benefits only the city, which gets
>> some revenue, and the people who lease plots, who get to grow produce
>> and keep it. Other park users lose 10% of their park.
>>
>> Sorry, I just don't see it.
>>
>> John
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:32:42 -0400
> From: Anthony Arrigo <<a>anthony.f.arrigo@gmail.com</a>>
> To: John Bazik <<a>jsb@cs.brown.edu</a>>
> Cc: <a>summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Tot Lot redesign backstory
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> John,
>
> I would have to ask then, too, how does a swing set or a jungle-gym or a slide
benefit everyone? Why not just have all park space completely open with no
structures whatsoever? With all of the play structures, aren't you loosing 50%
of the park?
>
> To me there are certain things that benefit some people, e.g. playgrounds for
people with children, and other things that benefit others, e.g. a place to
garden. The added garden benefits more people in the community than just a play
area. However, all of these things together benefit the entire community as a
whole by making it a better place to live for everyone.
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 4:16 PM, John Bazik wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 03:58:57PM -0400, Anthony Arrigo wrote:
>>> n space at the far end the park as-is. The benefits to ALL community
>>> members -- young and old, parents or not -- that a garden will bring,
>>
>> First, let me say that I applaud the good work that SNA and it's board
>> and members do. I remain a strong supporter.
>>
>> But I reluctantly have to ask: how does a community garden benefit
>> everyone? It seems to me that it benefits only the city, which gets
>> some revenue, and the people who lease plots, who get to grow produce
>> and keep it. Other park users lose 10% of their park.
>>
>> Sorry, I just don't see it.
>>
>> John
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:34:31 -0400
> From: John Bazik <<a>jsb@cs.brown.edu</a>>
> To: Andrew Nosal <<a>andy@mapcenter.com</a>>
> Cc: Summit Neighborhood <<a>summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>>
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Tot Lot redesign backstory
> Message-ID: <<a>20120921203431.GA4446@cs.brown.edu</a>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 04:15:50PM -0400, Andrew Nosal wrote:
>> even if I do not get to pick them. Would you be objecting to 10% of
>> the park being a flowerbed or shrubbery?
>
> Not at all. Landscaping is a gift to everyone who passes by.
>
> John
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:35:14 -0400
> From: Joe <<a>jose.traynor@gmail.com</a>>
> To: Anthony Arrigo <<a>anthony.f.arrigo@gmail.com</a>>
> Cc: <a>summit@sna.providence.ri.us</a>
> Subject: Re: [Summit] Tot Lot redesign backstory
> Message-ID:
> <CAP1F=<a>he47_G86950OnehRYcBp4h58OKzo4h14k2xX1WkcUNAiA@mail.gmail.com</a>>
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> Is the swingset leased to a specific family? I get what John is saying..
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Anthony Arrigo
> <<a>anthony.f.arrigo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> I would have to ask then, too, how does a swing set or a jungle-gym or a
slide benefit everyone? Why not just have all park space completely open with
no structures whatsoever? With all of the play structures, aren't you loosing
50% of the park?
>>
>> To me there are certain things that benefit some people, e.g. playgrounds for
people with children, and other things that benefit others, e.g. a place to
garden. The added garden benefits more people in the community than just a play
area. However, all of these things together benefit the entire community as a
whole by making it a better place to live for everyone.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 4:16 PM, John Bazik wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 03:58:57PM -0400, Anthony Arrigo wrote:
>>>> n space at the far end the park as-is. The benefits to ALL community
>>>> members -- young and old, parents or not -- that a garden will bring,
>>>
>>> First, let me say that I applaud the good work that SNA and it's board
>>> and members do. I remain a strong supporter.
>>>
>>> But I reluctantly have to ask: how does a community garden benefit
>>> everyone? It seems to me that it benefits only the city, which gets
>>> some revenue, and the people who lease plots, who get to grow produce
>>> and keep it. Other park users lose 10% of their park.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I just don't see it.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>>
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