<div dir="ltr">The discussion of the CSA is largely irrelevant to the recall. It is not the case that "lives stand in the balance." <div><br><div>The CSA just isn't the kind of thing that will do much at all. We aren't faced with a choice of saving some number of victims of police violence or recalling an allegedly corrupt politician. That's not the situation. <div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Look at the CSA.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://providencecommunitysafetyact.wordpress.com/full-text-of-the-csa/" target="_blank">https://<wbr>providencecommunitysafetyact.<wbr>wordpress.com/full-text-of-<wbr>the-csa/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I don't see how it has a chance of passing. It's a cobbled together list of various requirements and checklists combined with a little anti-Trump immigration rider. I'd never vote for something like this. It's riddled with problems that would, at best, make policing a hassle.</div><div><br></div><div>Consider this provision:</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px">(2) Prior to performing a search of any individual, law enforcement officers must inform the individual of the right to request that the search be performed by an officer of the gender of the individual’s choosing. Officers must comply with such requests in the performance of searches. If an officer of the requested gender is not present at the time, one will be called to the scene as soon as possible so as not to unnecessarily delay the time required to perform the search."</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><font color="#444444" face="alegreya sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16px">I love it. Image a couple guys who get pulled over and are suspected of selling drugs or having a gun. The provision would allow them to say that they want to be searched by a woman. I guess we'll have to wait around until we can get one of the women on the force on the scene. Nice. If I were a criminal, I'd use this every time I got pulled over.</span></font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px">The section on language access is fun too:</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px">"</span><strong style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:inherit;font-size:16px;font-style:inherit;box-sizing:border-box;border:0px;margin:0px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline">G. Language access for Limited English Proficient (LEP) individuals</strong></div><p style="box-sizing:border-box;border:0px;font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:0px 0px 20px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(68,68,68)">1. The Police Department shall establish a language access hotline to connect police officials in the field with qualified interpreters in a timely manner. Officers who wish to question an LEP individual for any reason and are not fluent in a language spoken proficiently by that individual, shall not question that individual until a qualified interpreter is present, except in emergency situations.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;border:0px;font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:0px 0px 20px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(68,68,68)">2. Police shall not use family members, friends or bystanders as interpreters except in emergency situations."</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;border:0px;font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:0px 0px 20px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(68,68,68)">So, if the police arrive at a crime scene, they can't question anyone unless they share a language in which they are both fluent. They can't even ask a guy sitting in a store a question about what the criminals looked like unless they speak his language, fluently! They can't even ask a bystander to help interpret. Ya, that's a great idea. They should have to wait an hour before they can get a description of the suspects. Brilliant.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;border:0px;font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:0px 0px 20px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;border:0px;font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:0px 0px 20px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(68,68,68)">The anti-Trump section contains this:</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;border:0px;font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px;margin:0px 0px 20px;outline:0px;padding:0px;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(68,68,68)">"<span style="font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif">2. No department, agency, commission, officer or employee acting on behalf of the City of </span>Providence shall use any City funds or resources to assist in the enforcement of federal immigration law or to gather or disseminate information on the immigration status of individuals in the City of Providence."</p><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px">So, the police can't even provide any information on immigration status. Not even information on murders and rapists. I guess the assumption is that no one, not even a rapist should face deportation. I don't get it. Regardless of what you think of Trump, this sounds like a bad idea.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:"alegreya sans",sans-serif;font-size:16px">In any case, you can pick nearly any provision in the CSA and find odd problems. I wouldn't vote for it. And even if it does pass, it's not going to do much of anything except slow down the police a little here and there. They'll have to jump through an extra hoop or two, fill out a card, word things differently. Overall, it looks like a waste of time. Its potential passage is certainly not a good reason to keep a corrupt politician in office.</span></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Ethan Gyles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ethangy@gmail.com" target="_blank">ethangy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>An analogous thought exercise: Would those cautioning against a Jackson recall vote for a presidential candidate in 2020 if it guaranteed one issue close to your heart (just one) would finally become law? (But let's say this candidate is also known for failure to follow election law, is mostly unavailable and unresponsive to voters, has been indicted for embezzlement, and election of this person would cause world-stage embarrassment)<br></div><div><br>On Mar 15, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Robert Mathiesen <<a href="mailto:rmath13@gmail.com" target="_blank">rmath13@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I'm not sure of that, Greg, not sure at all. Nor am I sure how Jackson would actually vote on CSA, when push comes to shove.. That's why I'd like the discussion to continue. <br><br>If the vote on CSA would be very close, and Jackson would vote for it, then opponents of CSA might try to force a vote in the months between when Jackson is removed from the Council and when his eventual replacement takes office. <br><br></div>Also, as Emlyn says, even if the Council votes CSA down, it can always be reintroduced in years to come.<br><br></div>Bob M<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Emlyn Addison <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noisyblocks@gmail.com" target="_blank">noisyblocks@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree with Sam's take. We can ensure that a CSA supporter is elected to replace Jackson. After all the hard work rooting out this rotten apple, with no guarantee that the CSA would pass anyway, let's take our victories where we can get them. Police brutality isn't going to disappear overnight, but a corrupt official will.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Robert Mathiesen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rmath13@gmail.com" target="_blank">rmath13@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div><div class="m_-3414491228242866674m_8452478614743860370h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>If we can't have it both ways, Michael, then which is the greater problem? <br><br>It is corruption and misuse, even outright theft, of taxpayer money? Or is it police misconduct, even brutality, especially toward the less privileged? <br><br>They are both huge problems, but which do you think is the greater problem, here and now? <br><br></div><div>As for me, frankly, I'd rather lose some of my property to elected thieves on a regular basis than tolerate police misconduct -- which has indeed descended into brutality from time to time, even in Providence, though we privileged people in Ward 3 see less of the latter than people elsewhere in the city. <br><br></div><div>I signed the petition to recall Jackson as soon as it became available, but Mikaila's comment has made me waver in my support of the recall now. <br><br>I would welcome reasoned discussion on the issue, if anyone feels up to discussing the pros and cons here. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Bob M<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-3414491228242866674m_8452478614743860370m_-2589719823986115264h5">On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Michael McGlynn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmcglynn@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmcglynn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-3414491228242866674m_8452478614743860370m_-2589719823986115264h5"><div dir="ltr">Mikaila, you can't have both ways. Would prefer Kevin Jackson remain in office or not?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-3414491228242866674m_8452478614743860370m_-2589719823986115264m_-6386348383441313447h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Mikaila Mariel Lemonik Arthur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmlarthur@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmlarthur@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-3414491228242866674m_8452478614743860370m_-2589719823986115264m_-6386348383441313447m_8565519756571516263m_5271177883199237233moz-cite-prefix">No one, least of all me, said anyone is
obligated to fix every issue. Rather when people are involved in
working really hard and doing a good thing, they may also want to
think about and work to mitigate the potential direct consequences
of those actions, unintended though they may be. <br>
<br>
Given what is going on with the CSA, the Jackson recall is likely
to have specific negative consequences which really matter to the
lives of Providence residents, unless the CSA is passed prior to
May 2. This is because even the best possible replacement for
Jackson would not be in office until quite a while after the May 2
election date--the special election can be up to 90 days after the
recall election, and looking at that and the City Council calendar
suggests that Jackson's replacement would attend his or her first
council meeting in September. <br>
<br>
Lives hang in the balance.<span><br>
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On 3/14/2017 5:51 PM, Kim Clark wrote:<br>
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i could not agree more.
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<div>talk about getting slapped in the face for working
really hard and doing a good thing — having someone judge you
and allege you are now obligated to fix every issue.</div>
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</span><span><div class="m_-3414491228242866674m_8452478614743860370m_-2589719823986115264m_-6386348383441313447m_8565519756571516263m_5271177883199237233moz-signature">-- <br>
Mikaila Mariel Lemonik Arthur<br>
<a href="mailto:mmlarthur@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmlarthur@gmail.com</a></div>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><span>-- <br><div class="m_-3414491228242866674m_8452478614743860370m_-2589719823986115264m_-6386348383441313447m_8565519756571516263gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Thank You,<br>Michael McGlynn<br></div>
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