[Summit] Comp Plan Proposal

Thu Jun 6 00:00:47 UTC 2024

Yes, we need more housing. I would be happiest with 3-4  stories. I like sun, but that is also influenced by siting.If there is a good bus route, less people may want to use or own cars.When I lived in Boston for 15+ years, we parked on the street, and rarely used our cars.No reason cars can't park overnight on the streets. 

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Today's Topics:

  1. Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Gayle Gifford)
  2. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Greg Gerritt)
  3. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Denise Guad)
  4. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Elizabeth Grossman)
  5. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Michael McGlynn)
  6. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Madeline Klein)
  7. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Anna Highsmith)
  8. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (martha f)
  9. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Ethan Gyles)
  10. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Gayle Gifford)
  11. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Emlyn Addison)
  12. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Karen Klingon)
  13. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Ethan Gyles)
  14. Re: Comp plan proposal -- what do you think (Karen Klingon)

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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 14:08:58 +0000
From: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
To: Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
Subject: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
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In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:

"In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the development of a mixture of high-density residential and neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. "

I'm wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings in the Hope Street commercial area.

Gayle Gifford
Ninth Street

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Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 10:31:22 -0400
From: Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
To: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>, Summit Neighborhood
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I call it welcome to the 21st century and the climate disaster changing things. Dense zero, carbon communities with lots of green space are our only good future.? greg

From: Summit <summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us> on behalf of Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:08?AM
To: Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
Subject: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think

In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:

?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the development of a mixture of high-density residential and neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?

I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings in the Hope Street commercial area. 

Gayle Gifford

Ninth Street  

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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 12:15:07 -0400
From: Denise Guad <dguad27 at gmail.com>
To: Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
Cc: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>, Summit Neighborhood
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I'm with Greg on this one. Anything we can do to increase housing, while
maintaining greenspaces and accessibility. Building up seems to be our best
option here.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:33?AM Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com> wrote:

> I call it welcome to the 21st century and the climate disaster changing
> things. Dense zero, carbon communities with lots of green space are our
> only good future.  greg
>
>
>
> *From: *Summit <summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us> on behalf of Gayle
> Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:08?AM
> *To: *Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> *Subject: *[Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
>
>
>
> In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is
> being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:
>
>
>
> ?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the
> development of a mixture of high-density residential and
> neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four
> stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To
> streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning
> districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?
>
>
>
> I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings
> in the Hope Street commercial area.
>
>
>
> Gayle Gifford
>
> Ninth Street
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:34:44 -0400
From: Elizabeth Grossman <eggbdk at gmail.com>
To: Denise Guad <dguad27 at gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:39:44 -0400
From: Michael McGlynn <mmcglynn at gmail.com>
To: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
Cc: Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
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A much needed improvement change.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:47?AM Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com> wrote:

> In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is
> being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:
>
>
>
> ?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the
> development of a mixture of high-density residential and
> neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four
> stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To
> streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning
> districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?
>
>
>
> I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings
> in the Hope Street commercial area.
>
>
>
> Gayle Gifford
>
> Ninth Street
>
>
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Thank You,
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:42:41 -0400
From: Madeline Klein <madelineklein at verizon.net>
To: Elizabeth Grossman <eggbdk at gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 13:47:33 -0400
From: Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org>
To: Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
Cc: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>, Summit Neighborhood
    <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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I?ve lived in this neighborhood for twenty years, and I think it?s great!
More housing near the shops on Hope means more people will be supporting
our local businesses, and those local businesses I can walk to are a huge
part of my quality of life!

More housing right on the bus route hopefully means more of my neighbors
will be able to live a car-free life, which is good for our neighborhood,
city, and planet.

Yay housing, yay density!

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:31?AM Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com> wrote:

> I call it welcome to the 21st century and the climate disaster changing
> things. Dense zero, carbon communities with lots of green space are our
> only good future.  greg
>
>
>
> *From: *Summit <summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us> on behalf of Gayle
> Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:08?AM
> *To: *Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> *Subject: *[Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
>
>
>
> In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is
> being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:
>
>
>
> ?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the
> development of a mixture of high-density residential and
> neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four
> stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To
> streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning
> districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?
>
>
>
> I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings
> in the Hope Street commercial area.
>
>
>
> Gayle Gifford
>
> Ninth Street
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 15:14:42 -0400
From: martha f <mfraenkel at gmail.com>
To: Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org>, Sue AnderBois
    <AnderBois.Ward3 at gmail.com>
Cc: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>, Greg Gerritt
    <gerritt at mindspring.com>,  Summit Neighborhood
    <Summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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I fundamentally agree.

However.  It is not so totally swell when the house a few feet away adds
another story and you lose light and sky.  I don?t know if people realize
that this is a potential consequence of densification.  Bottom line, I
think densification is for the good but don?t want to whitewash it either.

Martha

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:08?PM Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org> wrote:

> I?ve lived in this neighborhood for twenty years, and I think it?s great!
> More housing near the shops on Hope means more people will be supporting
> our local businesses, and those local businesses I can walk to are a huge
> part of my quality of life!
>
> More housing right on the bus route hopefully means more of my neighbors
> will be able to live a car-free life, which is good for our neighborhood,
> city, and planet.
>
> Yay housing, yay density!
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:31?AM Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I call it welcome to the 21st century and the climate disaster changing
>> things. Dense zero, carbon communities with lots of green space are our
>> only good future.  greg
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Summit <summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us> on behalf of Gayle
>> Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:08?AM
>> *To: *Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> *Subject: *[Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
>>
>>
>>
>> In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is
>> being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:
>>
>>
>>
>> ?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the
>> development of a mixture of high-density residential and
>> neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four
>> stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To
>> streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning
>> districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?
>>
>>
>>
>> I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings
>> in the Hope Street commercial area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gayle Gifford
>>
>> Ninth Street
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Summit mailing list
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 15:17:55 -0400
From: Ethan Gyles <ethangy at gmail.com>
To: Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org>
Cc: Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>, Gayle Gifford
    <gayle at ceffect.com>,  Summit Neighborhood
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Subject: Re: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
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I think it's critically needed. We have a housing crisis and we live in a
city. Planning Department is actually being very careful about it; I'd
prefer they were bolder and upzoned all the R-1 zoning to at least R-2. But
it's a step in the right direction.

Ethan

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:08?PM Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org> wrote:

> I?ve lived in this neighborhood for twenty years, and I think it?s great!
> More housing near the shops on Hope means more people will be supporting
> our local businesses, and those local businesses I can walk to are a huge
> part of my quality of life!
>
> More housing right on the bus route hopefully means more of my neighbors
> will be able to live a car-free life, which is good for our neighborhood,
> city, and planet.
>
> Yay housing, yay density!
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:31?AM Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I call it welcome to the 21st century and the climate disaster changing
>> things. Dense zero, carbon communities with lots of green space are our
>> only good future.  greg
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Summit <summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us> on behalf of Gayle
>> Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:08?AM
>> *To: *Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
>> *Subject: *[Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
>>
>>
>>
>> In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is
>> being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:
>>
>>
>>
>> ?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the
>> development of a mixture of high-density residential and
>> neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four
>> stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To
>> streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning
>> districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?
>>
>>
>>
>> I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings
>> in the Hope Street commercial area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gayle Gifford
>>
>> Ninth Street
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Summit mailing list
>> Summit at sna.providence.ri.us
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:33:37 +0000
From: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
To: Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
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One of the questions to explore is whether there are sufficient controls to ensure quality design so that Brook Street/Thayer Street isn?t what we would end up with on Hope Street.

Another question of course is parking. These buildings will not have any parking requirements. I?m thinking about how ballistic many of the Hope Street Merchants went when we had the temporary bike line. Though these taller new buildings wouldn?t remove parking spaces (well, during construction yes, but after they were built) all those units would likely many add more cars to the surrounding streets.  (Yes, I know, the goal is all of the people in those units would use public transportation and  not need cars).

For me, is 4-6 stories the right size on this section of Hope Street? The surrounding neighborhoods are three stories. Would that be a better height?

And, there is an assumption that locally owned businesses on Hope Street would still be there. As I understand it, many of the businesses on Wickenden Street opposed the five/six story building proposed for the corner of Brook and Wickenden.

All unknowns.

Gayle

From: Ethan Gyles <ethangy at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2024 3:18 PM
To: Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org>
Cc: Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>; Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>; Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think

I think it's critically needed. We have a housing crisis and we live in a city. Planning Department is actually being very careful about it; I'd prefer they were bolder and upzoned all the R-1 zoning to at least R-2. But it's a step in the right direction.

Ethan

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:08?PM Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org<mailto:anna at occupant.org>> wrote:
I?ve lived in this neighborhood for twenty years, and I think it?s great! More housing near the shops on Hope means more people will be supporting our local businesses, and those local businesses I can walk to are a huge part of my quality of life!

More housing right on the bus route hopefully means more of my neighbors will be able to live a car-free life, which is good for our neighborhood, city, and planet.

Yay housing, yay density!

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:31?AM Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com<mailto:gerritt at mindspring.com>> wrote:
I call it welcome to the 21st century and the climate disaster changing things. Dense zero, carbon communities with lots of green space are our only good future.  greg

From: Summit <summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us<mailto:summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us>> on behalf of Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com<mailto:gayle at ceffect.com>>
Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:08?AM
To: Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us<mailto:summit at sna.providence.ri.us>>
Subject: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think

In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:

?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the development of a mixture of high-density residential and neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?

I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings in the Hope Street commercial area.

Gayle Gifford
Ninth Street

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 16:45:58 -0400
From: Emlyn Addison <noisyblocks at gmail.com>
To: Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
Subject: Re: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
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The new building going up on 8th street near North Main may be a useful
guide here. It looks like a 3-4 storey building. I remember attending a
neighborhood meeting with the developers and they downplayed any parking
woes (...that street is already congested).

I doubt those apartments are intended as "affordable housing" but with more
buildings and more units available maybe competition will bring down rents.

Emlyn

On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 4:35?PM Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com> wrote:

> One of the questions to explore is whether there are sufficient controls
> to ensure quality design so that Brook Street/Thayer Street isn?t what we
> would end up with on Hope Street.
>
>
>
> Another question of course is parking. These buildings will not have any
> parking requirements. I?m thinking about how ballistic many of the Hope
> Street Merchants went when we had the temporary bike line. Though these
> taller new buildings wouldn?t remove parking spaces (well, during
> construction yes, but after they were built) all those units would likely
> many add more cars to the surrounding streets.  (Yes, I know, the goal is
> all of the people in those units would use public transportation and  not
> need cars).
>
>
>
> For me, is 4-6 stories the right size on this section of Hope Street? The
> surrounding neighborhoods are three stories. Would that be a better height?
>
>
>
> And, there is an assumption that locally owned businesses on Hope Street
> would still be there. As I understand it, many of the businesses on
> Wickenden Street opposed the five/six story building proposed for the
> corner of Brook and Wickenden.
>
>
>
> All unknowns.
>
>
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ethan Gyles <ethangy at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 04, 2024 3:18 PM
> *To:* Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org>
> *Cc:* Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>; Gayle Gifford <
> gayle at ceffect.com>; Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> *Subject:* Re: [Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
>
>
>
> I think it's critically needed. We have a housing crisis and we live in a
> city. Planning Department is actually being very careful about it; I'd
> prefer they were bolder and upzoned all the R-1 zoning to at least R-2. But
> it's a step in the right direction.
>
>
>
> Ethan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 3:08?PM Anna Highsmith <anna at occupant.org> wrote:
>
> I?ve lived in this neighborhood for twenty years, and I think it?s great!
> More housing near the shops on Hope means more people will be supporting
> our local businesses, and those local businesses I can walk to are a huge
> part of my quality of life!
>
>
>
> More housing right on the bus route hopefully means more of my neighbors
> will be able to live a car-free life, which is good for our neighborhood,
> city, and planet.
>
>
>
> Yay housing, yay density!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 10:31?AM Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> I call it welcome to the 21st century and the climate disaster changing
> things. Dense zero, carbon communities with lots of green space are our
> only good future.  greg
>
>
>
> *From: *Summit <summit-bounces at sna.providence.ri.us> on behalf of Gayle
> Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 10:08?AM
> *To: *Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
> *Subject: *[Summit] Comp plan proposal -- what do you think
>
>
>
> In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is
> being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:
>
>
>
> ?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the
> development of a mixture of high-density residential and
> neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four
> stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To
> streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning
> districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?
>
>
>
> I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings
> in the Hope Street commercial area.
>
>
>
> Gayle Gifford
>
> Ninth Street
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 20:36:15 -0400
From: Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net>
To: Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com>
Cc: Summit Neighborhood <summit at sna.providence.ri.us>
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I worry that with new construction, commercial rents will go up and we?ll end up with chain stores. I know this is a concern of the merchants on Wickenden St due to the new construction at Brook St, and I remember when Thayer Street was all independents. When my sister-in-law visited from Naperville, IL, last fall, she remarked on how fortunate we are to have such charming shops full of small-maker and artisanal items. She did a lot of her holiday shopping on Hope Street. Downtown Naperville used to have a lot of independents. No longer.

> On Jun 4, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com> wrote:
> 
> In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:
>  
> ?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the development of a mixture of high-density residential and neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?
>  
> I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings in the Hope Street commercial area.
>  
> Gayle Gifford
> Ninth Street  
>  
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 22:29:49 -0400
From: Ethan Gyles <ethangy at gmail.com>
To: Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net>
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:12:48 -0400
From: Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net>
To: Ethan Gyles <ethangy at gmail.com>
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Fair enough, Ethan. I?m not against new housing in our neighborhood, I recognize it?s badly needed. I just hope we can ensure that this part of what?s distinctive about Summit doesn?t disappear. Things tend to slide toward sameness. Same stores, same architecture, a general loss of character. I?d hate to see that.

> On Jun 4, 2024, at 10:29 PM, Ethan Gyles <ethangy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It?s really nice to have independent boutiques and gift shops. But, to accept for a moment the premise that adding residences to a community increases rent on commercial (I?d like to see data on that ? don?t forget more residents nearby should mean more revenue for the shop owners) ? our status quo of not building new homes in our community during an ongoing housing crisis will further solidify us into a walled garden for the wealthy. We?ll have independent shops folks moving from Manhattan and Boston who can place large cash offers can enjoy. I worry we?re a little over-comfortable, thinking some other neighborhood or some other city will build supply to meet demand and solve this crisis, but ours need not.
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 8:47?PM, Karen Klingon <kklingon at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I worry that with new construction, commercial rents will go up and we?ll end up with chain stores. I know this is a concern of the merchants on Wickenden St due to the new construction at Brook St, and I remember when Thayer Street was all independents. When my sister-in-law visited from Naperville, IL, last fall, she remarked on how fortunate we are to have such charming shops full of small-maker and artisanal items. She did a lot of her holiday shopping on Hope Street. Downtown Naperville used to have a lot of independents. No longer.
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Gayle Gifford <gayle at ceffect.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the new  comprehensive plan that is being developed, this is what is being proposed for the Hope Street commercial area:
>>>  
>>> ?In areas designated as neighborhood commercial/mixed use, promote the development of a mixture of high-density residential and neighborhood-serving commercial uses. New buildings may be up to four stories, with incentives that may add up to two additional stories. To streamline regulation in these areas, combine the C-1 and C-2 zoning districts. Zoning will be primarily C-2 and R-4. ?
>>>  
>>> I?m wondering what my Summit neighbors think about 4 to 6 story buildings in the Hope Street commercial area.
>>>  
>>> Gayle Gifford
>>> Ninth Street  
>>>  
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